Binzel MB25 EVO Vs Parweld's Pro-Grip

  1. julianf

    julianf Member

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    I need a larger torch for my portamig 215.

    In truth I don't really know what I'm doing with products, but from what I can tell I need an mb25 and the two in the title seem to be suggested here and there.

    My questions -

    Have I got it right, and it is an mb25 that I need?



    And then which of the torches if that is the case?

    About 3 years back, I posted this thread, should more info be needed -

    https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum...im-a-novice-is-this-normal.71929/#post-975136



    Thank you!
     
  2. Jlg

    Jlg Member

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    I’ve got a binzel mb25 if interested
     
  3. metalmelt Member

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    Julian, the smallest is the MB 15 which has the smallest head and is really only suitable for 0.6 and 0.8mm wire and the larger 0.8mm wire will only really handle around 170 amps maximum for decent quality wire.

    MB 25 is the next size up and the head and shroud are larger and these generally handle 1mm wire which realistically handles around 250 amps.

    It comes down to your welder output and the type of welding you do, in simplistic terms if you work in a lot of confined or tight spaces the MB15 is better under most circumstances if you are under the maximum current and use 0.8mm wire and for larger currents and working in non confined spaces the MB 25 is better as they are air cooled torches and the MB 25 gives a lot more cooling, particularly with 0.6 or 0.8mm wire.

    If finances permit them having both is a nice option as it gives you more scope.
     
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  4. julianf

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    Thank you.

    I have the 15 currently and have used it a lot, but set it on fire last time I tried to do a heavy job.

    I've got some thick stuff to do, so, rather than burn my existing torch again, I figured I'd get whatever I needed.

    So my question wasn't small or big... I know I need larger. More that was the MB25 the correct "code" (which you have confirmed - thank you!) and then what brand.


    My existing torch was repaired after I broke it last time and is fine now, so the plan is to have a pair and swap between them depending on work.
     
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  5. julianf

    julianf Member

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    What, for sale, or to advise on?
     
  6. Jim Davey

    Jim Davey R H Davey Welding Supplies Ltd

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    The EVO Pro is a lovely torch. It’s got Binzel’s latest lightweight cable which is super flexible. It’s where my money would be going for sure.
     
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  7. Tangledfeet

    Tangledfeet #1 Fan of 3M's VHB tape

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    @julianf Seconded; I bought one from R H Davey and it is very comfortable, and (without wanting to sound like a fanboi) R H Davey's prices are amongst the best; I'm tight so I do my homework.

    (I've also got Parweld ProGrip TIG torches in 17and 26 sizes and they are immensely comfortable and balanced too.)
     
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  8. mike os

    mike os just a little insane.....

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    I would suggest it will, come down to personal preference, both are good
     
  9. Jlg

    Jlg Member

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    For sale
     
  10. a111r Member

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    Seems that any new £500 MIG comes with an equivalent to a "£30 Euro" job, as found on Ebay.
    I have bought two MB15 torches for under £30. The MB25s are not much more.

    They're not professional kit of course, but a step change from aged SIP / Sealey torches needing whole new front ends for more cash.
     
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  11. metalmelt Member

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    I have a couple of weldquip as spares and they take a lot of abuse, I got mine from work and they are industrial ones, but, buying through work means I got industrial for little more than cheap DIY so if you know a company near you who do this for rmployees it may be of benefit due to huge company discounts.
     
  12. Munkul

    Munkul Jack of many trades, Master of none

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    MB25 is a much better torch design than the 15, but still has that naff little nozzle friction spring that I always hated. You CAN get a 25 size torch with the much better slip-on nozzles that are mb36 style, but not sure where I saw it... It's maybe a 280 amp rating? Can't remember.

    But that's just me being fussy :) I've wasted too many of those stupid springs. If i had to use a smaller gun again I think I'd go for something like a Tweco, or the aforementioned 25/36 hybrid..
     
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  13. metalmelt Member

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    Correction, Weldability not Weldquip.

    Apologies.
     
  14. metalmelt Member

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    Many people now do them and the 25/36 hybrid come with different front end consumables and they can be a godsend at times.
     
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  15. Munkul

    Munkul Jack of many trades, Master of none

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    link me please?
     
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  16. metalmelt Member

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    Weldability site lists them all, so a good source.
     
  17. metalmelt Member

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    Most 25's handle 250 amps and if your welder provides 215 amps it allows you to switch to 1mm wire and this is often cheaper than 0.8mm and handles welding currents of around 250 amps and for larger work this would be a prudent move, even if you only use it for heavier metal and swap back to 0.8mm for other work. Basically it gives you options.
     
  18. Munkul

    Munkul Jack of many trades, Master of none

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    The weldability website is garbage, I can't even find the regular binzel torches listed, just a confusing jumble of parts :vsad:
     
  19. Domdom Forum Supporter

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    Agreed. If that site is any indication of company quality I would probably avoid them. Besides, I don't have 3 days of my life to work out what I need.
     
  20. Tangledfeet

    Tangledfeet #1 Fan of 3M's VHB tape

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    Maybe these..?! :dontknow:

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    They seem to go purely by amperage than 25/36 designation..?
     
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