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Run Forest run!
Sounds like a pig of a job and the fact it's already grown legs and now needs the skirt (whatever that is) doing makes it sound like it's she knew there was more involved and didn't want to say so.
Friend of a friend = not your friend...
I'm like you in that I've got so much to do fixing up the house/yard/vehicles that I rarely take on any extra work at that in itself stresses me out!
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This about sums up my experience of working on boat engines of anything under 100 feet. Hateful things to work on. When I was much younger and far more flexible I was at the gear box of a Sigma 33, in through a locker under the cockpit floor. Got my self a bit frustrated trying to get out, had visions of getting the fire brigade to cut the floor out to get me out and make the job easier!...and it'll become your problem whenever it goes wrong in the next decade.
...and the thought of hanging upside down in the bowels of a boat trying to reach some siezed bolt while parts of the engine are trying to puncture your liver doesn't appeal to me, either.
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Jobs like this are a bit like marriage. “If in doubt, bail out !”
Redoing that hull seal on an elderly volvo sail drive might be a days work when the unit is two years old & easily accessible. When its twenty or 30 years old or more & the access is a nightmare it could easily run into a weeks work or more. One snapped or seized bolt you cant get at without cutting access holes in galleys, bulkheads etc, The exhaust hose that turns out to have collapsed inside, the rubber engine mounts that have disintegrated, the exhaust manifold that turns out to be split / corroded through & then turns out to be unobtainium (cos its an old volvo or costs 500quid cos its the last one on the shelf).
All these things await sooner or later.
Its a sign of the times that old yachts are now at giveaway prices, there is a huge oversupply of old ones after all a scrap car can be recycled a scrap boat you are left with a dirty great wart of fibreglass that is exceedingly hard & expensive to recycle.
We are noticing this in our club where the new members we are attracting & many old ones too tend to be real cheapskates, they join because boatyards & marinas charge a fortune whereas we are so inexpensive we are attracting people who are going sailing on the cheap with old boats way past their sell by date. When it goes wrong or breaks down they walk away & leave us with another wreck to dispose of. Not the sort of people any of us need to work for.
It has become a real problem we are only just starting to get to grips with.
All these things await sooner or later.
Its a sign of the times that old yachts are now at giveaway prices, there is a huge oversupply of old ones after all a scrap car can be recycled a scrap boat you are left with a dirty great wart of fibreglass that is exceedingly hard & expensive to recycle.
We are noticing this in our club where the new members we are attracting & many old ones too tend to be real cheapskates, they join because boatyards & marinas charge a fortune whereas we are so inexpensive we are attracting people who are going sailing on the cheap with old boats way past their sell by date. When it goes wrong or breaks down they walk away & leave us with another wreck to dispose of. Not the sort of people any of us need to work for.
It has become a real problem we are only just starting to get to grips with.
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Will the job wait? Do it after leave.
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This is quite noticeable around most of the boat yards, etc Ive seen recently. Old boats are easy to buy hard to sell and expensive to run. Something to be said for….if it flys, floats, or for sex, it should be rented!
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You answered your own question
Many yards try that one on or charge commission on a private sale, I seem to remember a court case a few years back which ruled the practice was unlawful, good luck trying to make similar stick today. I think its a hard one to win after all if your boat is in their yard how you going to move it if its blocked in or the cranes broken down?Helped a friend out with a couple of 6354t Perkins engines buried in the hull of his boat, everything about it was a ballache and to make it worse the boatyard/moorings wanted to charge him a percentage of my bill. How is that right?
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On a bit of a side line over the years I've often found that jobs I havn't wanted to do or stressed over ended up going smooth as silk and it's the one's ( thats a walk in park ) that end up a ballache . That maybe just me but then I've never worked on boats .
anyway if you don't need the wedge run away and keep running , as has been said before you can't buy time .
anyway if you don't need the wedge run away and keep running , as has been said before you can't buy time .
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How fit is she ?
That sucks, I once welded an exhaust for a "friend" for nowt and found it was for a friend of his and he charged them £20. Next time he came I told him to go to Euro.Helped a friend out with a couple of 6354t Perkins engines buried in the hull of his boat, everything about it was a ballache and to make it worse the boatyard/moorings wanted to charge him a percentage of my bill. How is that right?
Bob
If they want a percentage tell them it was a freebie.
1. Even if she's fit as, all you're gonna get is her eyelashes flickered at you, guaranteedHow fit is she ?
That sucks, I once welded an exhaust for a "friend" for nowt and found it was for a friend of his and he charged them £20. Next time he came I told him to go to Euro.
If they want a percentage tell them it was a freebie.
2. Said "friend" should indeed get the "F-Off" Tablet for that sort of exploitative stunt.
I agree with the consensus. As you get older, the penny drops that Time is a limited and diminishing commodity that you can spend & never re-aquire.
If you're utterly potless and badly need funds, then needs must, but otherwise Time, (relative) youth, mobility and health are things to guard jealously and spend as wisely as you can afford.
(It's taken me way too long to get that imbedded!)
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@Barking Mat
Follow the way of the Hedgehog
Curl into a ball and wait till she goes away.
Have the rest after a long season!
Follow the way of the Hedgehog
Curl into a ball and wait till she goes away.
Have the rest after a long season!
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you answered your own question .fullstop
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I geuss its because your working on their yard taking work from them they would expect to getHelped a friend out with a couple of 6354t Perkins engines buried in the hull of his boat, everything about it was a ballache and to make it worse the boatyard/moorings wanted to charge him a percentage of my bill. How is that right?
Bob
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I thought it was:
Big
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If I really needed the money I'd say yes but it will be day rate + materials until it's done properly and an email to that effect would be sent for them to agree to first.
I hate doing favours for mates, let alone a friend of a friend!
You never seem to get anything back except hassle!!
Big
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If I really needed the money I'd say yes but it will be day rate + materials until it's done properly and an email to that effect would be sent for them to agree to first.
I hate doing favours for mates, let alone a friend of a friend!
You never seem to get anything back except hassle!!
and enjoy your holiday. 