Anyone know anything about Butter Welders?

  1. Ciaran-Rob

    Ciaran-Rob John Smith

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    I was looking on E-bay for a big single phase welder and came across a welder by the make of Butter's. Does anyone know anything about them. Are they a good welder or just scrap?
     
  2. zardoz

    zardoz Old school Socialist

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    If you want a smaller cheaper welder at approx 30 - 155 amps or so, go for a Clarke 160 or similar from Machine mart or from Weldequip a bit cheaper. If you want a slightly more powerful one with a better low range that starts at 20 amps which is great for car body work. then go for a Portamig 185 also from Weldequip, which is an order of magnitude better than the already decent Clarke 160 for just three times the price. Dunno anything about butters welders, they are either Chinese or Italian or something ?
     
  3. Ciaran-Rob

    Ciaran-Rob John Smith

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    no i think their an American outfit.
     
  4. Drains

    Drains Yeah, nah.

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    Butters are UK, sourced from around the world and made/adapted to their spec. Lots of comments on this site about butters kit, most of it good, ish.

    Originally the name belonged to Norman Butters and Co of Coventry who made fantastic welding sets, built to last:- I have an NBC300A mig which must be 30+years old and gives top quality welds. I'd take it to bed with me if Drainetta would let me :D

    The new Butters company acquired the name but are otherwise unrelated.
     
  5. classic2cv

    classic2cv Member

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    Yes the original Butters machines are really that good :D

    i have 2 NBC Butters Automig machines

    yhey were built to a standard

    the newer ones are built down to a price :vsad:
     
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  6. Omniata

    Omniata Forum Supporter

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    Following on, is a Norman Butter 160A MIG worth buying if in good condition???

    Owner wants about £70 for it???
     
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  7. madkayaker

    madkayaker Pro sparkey Pro Welder

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    if it works should be what's the spec?
     
  8. Omniata

    Omniata Forum Supporter

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    Not gone to see it yet, think a local mechanic is skint...

    Was hoping Mr.Drains might have a bit of insight ;)
     
  9. Wozzaaah

    Wozzaaah The wizard of woz Staff Member

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    That's quite an old machine Omni, NBC became Butters quite some time ago I believe. From what I've seen on here they were well built machines though getting spares for one now might be difficult. £70 isn't a lot of dosh though ;).
     
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  10. Drains

    Drains Yeah, nah.

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    Hey Jim. I can only go by my own experience of a 300A number. It's a good'un. Like Woz says, they're old as the hills, but you can still get replacement feed motors for them if needs be. The smaller auto ones come up on ebay, and mentioned here. I'd certainly consider buying one, if it suited.
     
  11. madkayaker

    madkayaker Pro sparkey Pro Welder

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    pity you haven't got 3ph Robo has a kemmpit (insert correct spelling) for £100
     
  12. Omniata

    Omniata Forum Supporter

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    Cheers guys, I'll phone the guy up and try and get a "working demo"...
     
  13. classic2cv

    classic2cv Member

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    if it's like this one, and it's working then your onto a bargain :cool:


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    this one is a slightly more modern version ;)

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  14. Omniata

    Omniata Forum Supporter

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    Unfortunately it was sold when I phoned up this evening :(

    Oh well, probably a good thing though, have got plenty to keep me busy without more kit :)
     
  15. John.jcdplant16 New Member

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    Hi I have 3 mig welders incuding a butters welder thats the one I allways seem to use a fantastic welder havent got very good electical supply to workshop its a
     
  16. norlander

    norlander Member

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    thread title had me thinking why would you want to weld butter-or margerine -OK I'll get me coat.
     
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  17. Farside

    Farside Badly Welded Man

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    I'm still pondering my NBC280H and how to get it working on single phase. It sits in a corner of the workshop, quietly dominating everything, taunting me with its so-far unleashed superior welding potential, damn thing.
     
  18. mike 109444

    mike 109444 Member

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    Shenion did if I recall do a writeup on converting a 3phase to single. Fair bit of work involved.....
     
  19. Farside

    Farside Badly Welded Man

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    Thanks, I'll have a search.
    I've got these bookmarked, but a bit 'merkin-centric. The principles are the same, though.
    http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97492
    I expect it won't be simple, but not beyond doing. I also hope there won't be purchases of expensive bits required, either - the 'merkin ones don't seem to involve that. What strikes me about the guts of the Butters unit is how relatively simple it is, just big.
     
  20. awemawson Forum Supporter

    This is my Butters AMT3205 which is a good solid well made 3 phase machine that I use for the heavier stuff. Only problem I've had over a few years use was the gas valve sticking 'on'. It's an absolutely standard valve and I had no problem getting a replacement - but when I went to fit it the stuck valve cleared and has been fine ever since - at least now I have a spare :)

    I've no idea what vintage of Butters it is, ie NBC or post NBC but it's well made

    3205 Butters-AMT3205.jpg
     
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