Just ignore the post chaps, I am sure that if the mods found my initial post offensive it would have either had wording changed or I would have had some warning, it was not meant to be offensive just an abbreviation. All the post is doing is taking away from the subject matter. Which for me was do I buy an older, known name, or a new very cheap set.
I have placed a bit and have set a limit, there is listing or information anywhere I can see that gives ages of welders and current values, so is all suck and see.