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Things have come a long way since that vid was made, decent brake proportioning and load sensors have virtually eliminated jackknifing under normal road conditions. Some of my trailers are old and one of them has a Hope coupling on the pin, hit the brakes and it clamps the fifth wheel coupling to the turn plate of the trailer. Great for stopping the jacknife but takes away most of the steering
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As above, trailers, and tractor units have come a long way since that video was made.
It’s virtually impossible to roll one on a turn at high speed these days, due to all of the electronics they have on board.
Gyroscopes, lane departure, automatic braking, adaptive cruise control.
The problem is not all trucks have the above, so auto braking is fantastic, until you find out the guy behind you hasn’t got it when you have to anchor up or the gap in front is taken by another vehicle at the last minute.
Adaptive cruise control is also good if you’re in a “convoy”, you can set distance from the vehicle in front too. But when the gap you’ve left is taken by another vehicle, the auto braking kicks in again.
It’s virtually impossible to roll one on a turn at high speed these days, due to all of the electronics they have on board.
Gyroscopes, lane departure, automatic braking, adaptive cruise control.
The problem is not all trucks have the above, so auto braking is fantastic, until you find out the guy behind you hasn’t got it when you have to anchor up or the gap in front is taken by another vehicle at the last minute.
Adaptive cruise control is also good if you’re in a “convoy”, you can set distance from the vehicle in front too. But when the gap you’ve left is taken by another vehicle, the auto braking kicks in again.
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the good old days...lol
as said its quite difficult to jack knife or roll one now...although that said i attended about 6 jack knife/roll overs in as many months before i left heavy recovery for a quieter life
as said its quite difficult to jack knife or roll one now...although that said i attended about 6 jack knife/roll overs in as many months before i left heavy recovery for a quieter life
I've seen 2 roll overs in the last few months. One a double deck Royal Mail trailer on a roundabout the other a Container on a roundabout..
I still think a lot of them are drivers going to fast.
I drive an Merc Actros unit an trailer out of Heathrow. I don't like any of the lane control stuff, our new 18tonners have got the the lot Lane departure, Automatic braking and a Adaptive cruise.. The auto braking even activates at slow speed manouvering round the yard. I got a bit closer to a fence than it liked the other day an it jabbed the brakes on.
I was on full lock at the time an I knew I was going to miss the fence.
I still think a lot of them are drivers going to fast.
I drive an Merc Actros unit an trailer out of Heathrow. I don't like any of the lane control stuff, our new 18tonners have got the the lot Lane departure, Automatic braking and a Adaptive cruise.. The auto braking even activates at slow speed manouvering round the yard. I got a bit closer to a fence than it liked the other day an it jabbed the brakes on.
I was on full lock at the time an I knew I was going to miss the fence.
Please accept my sincere condolences
.But seriously
, it’s generally excessive speed that causes rollovers. Combine it with a high centre of gravity, such as double deck trailers with too much weight up top and usually not secured, or fully loaded containers, and all the elements are present. Anyone unfortunate enough to drive through Hull will doubtless have been stuck in traffic at some stage on Hedon Road, generally at the Marfleet Lane roundabout. On a regular basis, container lorries roll over on what for many is the first roundabout after leaving the docks, or the last before entering them, simply because a, they’re travelling too fast, and b, they have no idea how the box is loaded, other than it’s weight.I hear all too often, usually from old hands, that the DCPC is a nonsense. For a lot of drivers it might be, but judging by the amount of lorry generated gear on the roadside, (timbers, straps, ratchets, warwicks, Hiab outrigger pads, and I’ve even seen rolled up sheets on the hard shoulder before now
), and the frequency of rollovers and lost loads, a lot of truck drivers out there don’t seem to have much idea...
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Most look to be speed related.
Transport offices and unreasonable expectations don't help
It’s quite interesting when you watch closely and realise how many different factors cause the rollovers.
For example, the one at 3.45 in was caused solely by Mr Muppet in his BMW, the next one was obviously paying no attention whatsoever, 5.20 in didn’t look to have any load restraints at all, and some of the others were simply loaded badly enough to beggar belief.
Momentum is wonderful at times, but not always...
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I'm driving an 18 plate MAN at the moment and thats just as bad...
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Odd that most of those appear to have happened in 'foreign parts'......
Doesn't look like any BMW I'm familiar with?
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]Doesn't look like any BMW I'm familiar with?
Well spotted that man
.I just assumed it was a Beemer due to the bad manoeuvre and lack of signals
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And starting the week in fine style, passed an artic at 07.30 that was laid on it’s side in a field by the southbound A1M at junction 43.
For anyone not familiar with the area, it’s north of Ferrybridge where the A1M and the M1 split, when heading south. This one has managed to rollover after cresting the bank, and end up in the field where the wind turbines are. I am utterly baffled as to how it can happen, as it’s an almost straight stretch of road, just a gentle curve to the left, and the fact that the truck would have slowed down coming up the hill makes it even more baffling
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I can only think that the driver has taken evasive action to avoid a muppet in a car who’s pulled in front of him, or he’s had a blowout and lost it. (I had my offside steer tyre blow at 53mph while heading up the A19 near Sunderland last year, and it frightened the bejeezus out of me. How the truck didn’t roll is still a mystery to me, I can only think that I must have a guardian angel, hard though it is to believe.)
For anyone not familiar with the area, it’s north of Ferrybridge where the A1M and the M1 split, when heading south. This one has managed to rollover after cresting the bank, and end up in the field where the wind turbines are. I am utterly baffled as to how it can happen, as it’s an almost straight stretch of road, just a gentle curve to the left, and the fact that the truck would have slowed down coming up the hill makes it even more baffling
.I can only think that the driver has taken evasive action to avoid a muppet in a car who’s pulled in front of him, or he’s had a blowout and lost it. (I had my offside steer tyre blow at 53mph while heading up the A19 near Sunderland last year, and it frightened the bejeezus out of me
. How the truck didn’t roll is still a mystery to me, I can only think that I must have a guardian angel, hard though it is to believe.) 