No! The real difference is that our system is meant to be there for everyone but you pay only what you can afford, based on what you earn.
Yes that's what I said?
No! The real difference is that our system is meant to be there for everyone but you pay only what you can afford, based on what you earn.
How do the prices of health care compare between our nationalised healthcare system, and America's private system?
(I really think you chose the wrong example for the point you were trying to prove there!)
Is this English?
Personally I don't see that there are massive differences in the two systems in net result for most of the population.
It's very naive to think of our health care as free, it's not.
Not really. The NHS is potentially our jewel in the crown, but being essentially nationalised despite so called "trusts", it is top heavy with multiple layers of management, bureaucracy and jobs for the boys. Meanwhile, like the Police, the heroes at the sharp end get treated like floor sweepings so that the bosses can swan about in top end vehicles and sit in their plush offices.
What I would like to see is a totally privatised and broken up health service. That way, each department has to be efficient or fail. To pay for it, I would like the current National insurance system to continue ensuring that everyone had free access as now regardless of circumstances and with no means test. Payment for treatment would be done by the practitioner invoicing the National Insurance, a bit like dentistry is done. Best of both worlds I would say?
I would but I doubt if it would do me any good.....and I dont want to waste your timeWould you like it expained more simply?
I would but I doubt if it would do me any good.....and I dont want to waste your time
Mine is a different problem so it wouldnt solve anything either
But it really is another language to me now....back in the days of 286, 386, 486 I was quite computer literate but they have moved on and I havent
If you don't see, you have either chosen not to look, which I'll forgive you for, or are ignoring the numbers as it does not fit with your views, which is not so forgivable -
2017 data - £2,892 on healthcare for every person in the UK and £7,617 per person in the US.
It's insulting to anyone to say "but it's not free" - as if you think you have some insight that isn't blindingly obvious to anyone else.
Health spending per capita is approximately double in the United States as it is in the United Kingdom.
And, despite spending twice as much, tell me which country regularly has individuals die due to inability to access basic things like insulin?
Regardless of any political views, the bottom line is that the UK per capita spend on its nationalised health is about half of the USA pet capita spend. There's no way to spin that. It's just simple numbers.
Anyway, the NHS isn’t there to make money.
Non-critical treatment should be paid fo
This is the root of all our problems. The country is not, should not be, regarded as a business. It's there for the benefit of those that live there and pay for the services. Or am I missing something?
Exactly what the NHS etc has become.
Introduce more and more levels of management, box-tickers, and waste more and more money. Ignore those at the sharp end. My dog, what a bloody shambles modern life is.
If only it worked that way! Like Communism, Nationalisation is a wonderful idea on paper, but fails to take into account Human variation. When a company is nationalised, it becomes like the civil service or the NHS. Far from becoming cheaper, the costs would run away because there is no competion. You pay the rate demanded and put up with the poor service or go without. The unions would be running the outfit for the benefit of the few, not the many.
I lived through the 70s and if you weren't there, it is difficult for anyone to believe the way it was. We had three day weeks, rubbish piling up in the streets, power blackouts and dead bodies piling up because they were not being dealt with.
Scargill was effectively holding the country to ransom and other unions were aiding and abetting him, trying to bring down the government. Baroness Thatcher waded in, handbag swinging and brought them to heel, transforming the economy for the better. Then a few backstabbing chauvinists like Heseltine decided to bring her down sadly, so that was the last PM we have ever had with a backbone.
I think I understand it ...… I haven't played with an IP address in something like 30 years …. my brains hurtingIs this English?
Yes please , I had a stroke several years ago as a result , the old brain box & neck top computer is not what it used to be as the hard drive is full & keeps losing data & the RAM needs brain Viagra . I've asked my lass for a full service to everything on my birthday .. I didn't hear the reply because of her laughing .Would you like it expained more simply?
That was always the plan..Like with the gas, electricity and railway networks, don't you all think that it's crazy what Thatcher decided to do with them all those years ago?
From my point of view, the customer now has more hassle, often worse service and pays more.
Nothing is free.... Unless you don't pay for it.)Personally I don't see that there are massive differences in the two systems in net result for most of the population. People often look at the American or Australian systems and think its mad that people pay for health care with insurance type payments. The reality is that is exactly what we all do anyway, we pay every week/month out of wages.
The two obvious differences in our system are it's owned by the state and everyone who contributes pays enough that people who are not able to contribute still get cover.
It's very naive to think of our health care as free, it's not.
But if you don't strive to at least break even, the waste and poor management will make it a money pit. Exactly what the NHS etc has become. If it were seperate private practices, competition would see that only the fittest and most efficient would survive. Then we could select the practice that we were most impressed with, rather than go where and do what we are told by the NHS.i
Tell me, do the NHS REALLY need *Dyson bladeless fans in the offices? Even at their normal retail, let alone the inflated price that they would have paid? This is what happens when there is no need to show a profit, the waste just gets bigger and bigger because they know that they can merely reduce sharp end services and blame the "lack of" funding.
* I saw them with my own eyes, when I went in by ambulance. There must have been half a dozen in the casualty department on the computer desks. A nurse told me that they don't have any budget to buy ceramic cups for the hot drinks though.