Cable/hose reel contraption

[WALM]

hi, this is an annoying problem...

Has anyone come accross a dual hose reel or anything that would auto retract like an air line, same for my cables?

 

[WorkshopChris]

Have seen reels for the hoses just not a sensible price in the uk:-
http://www.rapidwelding.com/dynamic/DisplayItem.aspx?c=CCRGM-820&zl=1 without hose or with
http://www.rapidwelding.com/dynamic/DisplayItem.aspx?c=OAX00&zl=1
on ebay but absolutly no idear of quality and i presume without hose:-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25FT-1-4-...816172?hash=item35eea1512c:g:g6wAAOSwDNdVuSbp
Hose reels in the US are common and at reasonable price.

Maybe once we get this brexit thing sorted out we might get a better deal importing and trading with the US i know personally would be more use to me than most of what europe has to offer.

Haven't seen anything better than a old mig reel to hang cable on similar to you are doing already, problem is if you wind the cables they overheat and turn into electro magnets.

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Need a new tamper tag on worn foam extinguisher.fftopic:fftopic:

 

[daleyd]

I've seen mains (ie up to 16 amp ish) extension lead retractable reels, but I would think the diameter of welding cables, plus the high current they draw, would make them a bit of nightmare to be honest. I would think you would need to unwind them completely for every use, whereas with a loose coil you could leave them at least partially wound up?

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/extension-reels/7850874/

 

[rory1]

I have the same problem in my van, I've found that wrapping up the oxy bags in a figure of eight around in a fairly long loop helps with the tangles

 

[wyn]

I have used the oxy/acet hose reels in a few places i have worked... they seemed to be ok they had a sort of ratchet holding and auto retract system similar to the airline ones.
The particular ones i used weren't very long though, only a couple of metres.
They all seemed to eventualy suffer with leakage problems around the pivot seals.

 

[8ob]

Our insurance company kicked off about bottles stored in the buildings so I thought I would pipe in the gas and have a reel in the mancave, the trouble is there is only 25 feet of hose on the reel and its probably never going to be in the right place. It needs a rethink,this one was about £100 from the Bergen man with the mobile van.

Bob

 

[brightspark]

fit standard hoses on to your bottles in to the shed get some couplings and join to the reel job done

 

[8ob]

fit standard hoses on to your bottles in to the shed get some couplings and join to the reel job done

I was thinking more in terms of chaining the bottles up outside somewhere and piping in iron to a few places around the building with takeoffs but with some kind of emergency shut off solenoid, whatever I do it will need to be given the nod by the insurers.This has only been a problem with them in the last few years. Anyone here up to speed on regs?

Bob

 

[WorkshopChris]

I was thinking more in terms of chaining the bottles up outside somewhere and piping in iron to a few places around the building with takeoffs but with some kind of emergency shut off solenoid, whatever I do it will need to be given the nod by the insurers.This has only been a problem with them in the last few years. Anyone here up to speed on regs?

Bob

That will not get the insurers approval. Lots of very expensive hoops to jump through to distribute gas around a building.
http://www.bcga.co.uk/pages/index.cfm?page_id=19

Gets complicated no oil or ptfe seals for oxygen. No copper for acetylene.

 

[brightspark]

use the cheap option

 

[mechman]

What happens with copper and acetylene?

 

[WorkshopChris]

What happens with copper and acetylene?

I don't want to be within half mile of anyone who finds out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper(I)_acetylide
Taken from link above.

Properties
When dry, copper acetylide is a heat and shock sensitive high explosive, more sensitive than silver acetylide.

Copper acetylide can form inside pipes made of copper or an alloy with high copper content, which may result in violent explosion.

 

[mechman]

Thanks I've been well educated on that one

 

[ukracer]

what about a cheap compressed air reel and change the hose for welding cable.?

 

[normspanners]

what about a cheap compressed air reel and change the hose for welding cable.?

dont think the centre swivel will pass much lectric unless you can turn the lectric into a gas then change it back into lectric at the end ?? !

 

[ukracer]

dont think the centre swivel will pass much lectric unless you can turn the lectric into a gas then change it back into lectric at the end ?? !

it was more to keep it tidy with automatic recoil.....

 

[Bill Edwards]

Our insurance company kicked off about bottles stored in the buildings so I thought I would pipe in the gas and have a reel in the mancave, the trouble is there is only 25 feet of hose on the reel and its probably never going to be in the right place. It needs a rethink,this one was about £100 from the Bergen man with the mobile van.

Bob

I'd be a little uncomfortable trusting Bergen tools to keep oxygen and acetylene safely sealed where moving parts (i.e reel) are concerned.

 

[brightspark]

I'd be a little uncomfortable trusting Bergen tools to keep oxygen and acetylene safely sealed where moving parts (i.e reel) are concerned.

is it approved standard ??

 

[tinman123]

I'd be a little uncomfortable trusting Bergen tools to keep oxygen and acetylene safely sealed where moving parts (i.e reel) are concerned.

a similar thought did cross my mind too.

stupid question maybe but bar the blue n red colour coding on proper hose whats the difference in it and good quality black fuel line hose from the likes of gates or any fule line hose for that matter ?
is the gas hose that because its resistant to gas and leaving the safety factor aside would the gates fuel line not do the same job and possibly last longer too...?

or am i missing something.