Sack Barrow inner tube problems

[Gareth0123]

I have a sack barrow with a 200kg capacity which I hardly every use and then I only loaded it to about 75kg max, with yesterday being the one and only exception of over 100kg when having to move the new saw which was just a shade over 130kg.

This sack barrow gets used once or twice a year and when I need it, I need it. But every time I get it out to use it, the flippin' inner tubes have perished and don't hold any air.

A couple of years back I did try solid tyres but they perished within 12 months. There is nothing special about the the conditions I store it in as it is kept in a dry wooden shed with no paints, oils or chemicals nearby.

I changed from the solids and back on to new pneumatic tyres and inner tubes about six months ago, and yesterday when I got it out to use it the flippin' inner tubes had perished yet again............ it doesn't matter where I buy new tubes from or what brand, they all perish within about 12 months!

The wheel rims are split rims held together with 4 X M8 bolts, and I wondering if I would get away with slightly over filling the inner tubes with some builders expanding foam while the tubes are off the rims but in the tyres, and then squeeze fitting them back into the rims before the foam sets.


What do you guys think?

 

[MattF]

Do it the same way car tyres are done. Get some of that rubber sealant they use and a valve and skip the innertube. That foam would break up in no time. The other way to make the wheels practically indestructible would be to get a pair of old cast iron wheels and use those instead. You could always run some rubber sheet around the rims if you wanted them quieter during use.

 

[Wendelspanswick]

I have a sack barrow with a 200kg capacity which I hardly every use and then I only loaded it to about 75kg max, with yesterday being the one and only exception of over 100kg when having to move the new saw which was just a shade over 130kg.

This sack barrow gets used once or twice a year and when I need it, I need it. But every time I get it out to use it, the flippin' inner tubes have perished and don't hold any air.

A couple of years back I did try solid tyres but they perished within 12 months. There is nothing special about the the conditions I store it in as it is kept in a dry wooden shed with no paints, oils or chemicals nearby.

I changed from the solids and back on to new pneumatic tyres and inner tubes about six months ago, and yesterday when I got it out to use it the flippin' inner tubes had perished yet again............ it doesn't matter where I buy new tubes from or what brand, they all perish within about 12 months!

The wheel rims are split rims held together with 4 X M8 bolts, and I wondering if I would get away with slightly over filling the inner tubes with some builders expanding foam while the tubes are off the rims but in the tyres, and then squeeze fitting them back into the rims before the foam sets.


What do you guys think?

I have a sack truck that must be 40 years old, if not older, which lives outside and has solid rubber tyres on steel wheels. It gets used on tarmac, gravel and rough concrete and although the tyres are knicked and chipped they are still in good condition for its age.
I think pneumatic tyres are a bad idea on sack tracks because the weight shifts over on uneven ground, I would look for a better set of solids.

 

[wristpin]

Like the previous poster I have an ancient sack barrow on solid rubbers that gets no special treatment and is on original wheels/ tyres so you problem with constant perishing seems very odd.
I also agree that pneumatics are not the way to go.
May be worth investigating air cell or semi pneumatic tyres ; I have them on a two wheeled garden barrow and wish that I'd fitted them years ago - no more flat tyres and always ready for work when needed!
Try these people. http://www.puncture-proof-tyres.co.uk/dealer.php?id=1

 

[octo0072000]

I have a sack truck that must be 40 years old, if not older, which lives outside and has solid rubber tyres on steel wheels. It gets used on tarmac, gravel and rough concrete and although the tyres are knicked and chipped they are still in good condition for its age.
I think pneumatic tyres are a bad idea on sack tracks because the weight shifts over on uneven ground, I would look for a better set of solids.

same here mine lives outside solid tyres must be 40/50 years old

 

[Rocketman]

Same here my barrow must 40+ years old solid tyres never changed.

 

[pedrobedro]

Wheelie bins are outside and the wheels don't disintegrate, I found some wheels and made a sack truck and it lives outside with no problems.

 

[steviec_lj]

Tyres with tubes here, at least 8years since I checked them and they're still pumped up well.

 

[the snooper]

i have a really old alluminium sack barrow with solids on storred in the garage with no problmes and another with inflatable tyres no problmes there either, something strange with your shed

 

[MattF]

something strange with your shed

That's what I'm thinking too. Could just imagine a pee'd off rodent with an oil can sneaking in there.

 

[Wendelspanswick]

What Gareth hasnt told us is he lives next to a drawing pin and tack factory!

 

[the snooper]

What Gareth hasnt told us is he lives next to a drawing pin and tack factory!

or that he sits the full wheel in an oil bath to stop the axles seizing

 

[Rocketman]

There isn't a source of ozone or high uv in the shed is there?

 

[lincoln2013]

Slightly off topic but I had same problem with a wheel barrow 8" tyre I think the tyres are made to cheap & just aren't up to the job.
I cured the problem with the wheel barrow by fitting a 8" trailer tyre which was 6 or 8 ply instead of the 2 ply tyres you get with the wheel barrow.
This was a few years ago now & I can't remember how much the tyre was it was probably more than I paid for the barrow but I am sure it will out last the wheel barrow several times over.

 

[Kent]

I have no great problem with wheel barrows and inflatable tyres. Have one outside that's about 5 yrs old now, don't really do much to it. Is it perishing or is it catching a burr inside the rim? Sounds complex having a split rim on a sack truck

 

[octo0072000]

Rubber now is not like rubber of old something to do with silicone comes to mind and cheap jap rubber is carp i also have a little truck with split rims they don't last long
Two wheels and tyres here for £8.99 free delivery
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-Repla...902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae5a57976

 

[Rocketman]

I would like to see any data saying modern rubber tyres aren't better (longer lasting/more crack resistant) than old technology.

Also what cheap tyres do Japan make in this day and age. Are you getting China and Japan mixed up there?

 

[Bsmith]

My gas bottle trolley has solid rubber tyres, bit chipped maybe but no probs in 40 years.

 

[MattF]

Also what cheap tyres do Japan make in this day and age. Are you getting China and Japan mixed up there?

Jap tyres tend to get a bad reputation because of the ones which come across on the import gear. By the time they get over here, they're usually old, somewhat hard and inflexible, and have **** poor grip as a consequence. People don't tend to realise it's just age related.

 

[Rocketman]

MattF isn't this just going back many decades ago on the early motor bikes and nothing to do with present day.