Remember they can kill.

[Misterg]

I dont agree that company should get the blame for workers mistake.

That's not how the law is written though. (Rightly or wrongly).

We all know the dangers, people take risks!

You and I may do in our private lives, but as an employer, you must, by law, stop your employees taking risks.

Hand holding emery cloth for lathe work is verbotten by HSE guidance (again, rightly or wrongly). It's not clear how much this contributed to the death of Mr. Hardiman, or whether it is a touchstone that avoids other factors - there is an allusion to inappropriate PPE being a factor. (I haven't been able to find a report on the incident).

I'm very sympathetic to the 'it's not dangerous if you do it right' aguements, but them's the rules of the game if you want to run a business.

This fatality came 2 1/2 years after a previous improvement notice was issued against Somers Forge relating to possible entanglement in a lathe.

This prosecution could potentially open the doors for a case of corporate manslaughter against directors or senior employees of the company.

At the end of the day, somebody died doing what should have been a routine job in someone else's business. That can't be right.

 

[Robotstar5]

Somers is a big company

That made big things including parts for the Iraqi "supergun"

 

[Woody.v8]

At the end of the day, somebody died doing what should have been a routine job in someone else's business. That can't be right.

As much as I'm sympathetic, people should be competent at there work, which obviously they are not.
This is why we are the nanny state that we are, I appreciate hs in work but ffs things are dangerous.
We will be telling McDonald's worker's not to lick the grills or put their heads in the fryers.
Rant over, I'm sorry to hear someone has lost their life going to work, which is terrible and not acceptable. Rip.

 

[Beanwood]

We weren’t there, we don’t know what went on.it’s a tragedy that someone lost their life doing a job.
I have a sympathy for all involved as I can’t honestly believe that a dangerous practice was encouraged. Big heavy spinning things are dangerous.
It would suggest from the wording that clothing was a contributing factor- and we should all take note of that. I know I shouldn’t wear my hoodie with cord drawstrings near any rotating machine- but in the cold weather as it’s just a quick job and ‘I know what I’m doing’ I may just risk it from time to time.
This just reminds me that I really shouldn’t.
A sad loss of life.

 

[bricol]

As much as I'm sympathetic, people should be competent at there work, which obviously they are not.
This is why we are the nanny state that we are, I appreciate hs in work but ffs things are dangerous.
We will be telling McDonald's worker's not to lick the grills or put their heads in the fryers.
Rant over, I'm sorry to hear someone has lost their life going to work, which is terrible and not acceptable. Rip.

And that's exactly why H&S and correct procedures exist. It's not just "common sense". People do stuff as they can - its quicker, shorter, they've always done it. I design machinery - currently several tonnes of moving, hydraulically operated tipping, transferring, moving, lifting and de-reeling 13 tonne coils - the things people do with such equipment as it hasn't yet damaged them . . . until it does. And I have to try to mitigate against all the clowns who know better in the factories around the world it will get installed in, where they will ignore procedure, won't use the correct additions but instead use random woods, old lifting straps and God knows what else . . . and there will then be a safety briefing issued and some poor family will be getting someones death in service pension payout.

As for friers - go-ogle fried head and Olive Garden in the USA.

 

[bricol]

Emery cloth on a 20m lathe?

20m lathe didn't necessarily have a 20m long component in it.

 

[Erie Fred]

It is sad that a life is lost but training is the key, it should be instilled Into you .
Common sense is dwindling I think in society, I was always taught, no loose clothes, hair tied back and the ultimate one
the machine will kill you given the chance.

On the T.V. the other night.
Crawford County Vocational school, well regarded for their Tool & Die program.

Open house, news reporter in the welding booth area, sparks flying around him, not wearing safety glasses.
Show a kid running a lathe, long sleeves, Heavy coat on top, IIRC he also was wearing leather gloves.

Most all shops have signs at the entrance "must wear safety glasses to enter"
And some areas are "Hearing protection required".

enforcement at the school level needs to be 100% no exceptions, to get them started on the right path.

 

[bricol]

Have to admit, after the time I've spent in engineering, in facilities all over the world, I feel naked without safety boots and spectacles. And in the places I go to for the last 20 yrs, serious hearing protection.

I just cannot understand why people in the those places ignore the hearing protection, glasses up on their heads . . . things don't tend to grow back!

 

[Beanwood]

Have to admit, after the time I've spent in engineering, in facilities all over the world, I feel naked without safety boots and spectacles. And in the places I go to for the last 20 yrs, serious hearing protection.

I just cannot understand why people in the those places ignore the hearing protection, glasses up on their heads . . . things don't tend to grow back!

Are they young and invincible as we all once were?

 

[daleyd]

wonder if sawstop type tech has any future being deployed to other metalic spinning death devices?

i witnessed someone - not an idiot, just busy and distracted - lose a fight with a tablesaw many years ago, never really heard the end result, think most of his digits were technically saved if not functional

i just remember the chunks

I’m not sure a “saw stop” device would help much on a 20m long lathe, even with nothing in the chuck I imagine it’s not going to stop very quickly.

 

[Seadog]

As for friers - go-ogle fried head and Olive Garden in the USA.

You'd need to be seriously deranged to do that.

 

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[Smallfry]

This brought to mind an incident way back when I did factory work for a short while after I left school. An old school guy who always wore a tie to work, and a firkin great Archdale radial pillar drill. Another one involving reaching into a concrete crusher.

What happened to persons own risk averse ness though ? I think we are all guilty of chancing our arms now and then though, and got away with it. Then with hindsight recognised how it could have gone very wrong.

I am becoming more so as I get older though, as everything seems to hurt more. For longer.

 

[Seadog]

He's already taken an eye out

 

[doubleboost]

This was my take on safety with lathes
This is part one of a series of lathe tutorials .
The first 10 minutes is the safety bit .

 

[indykid]

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That's not just dangerous, that's idiotic!

 

[Bouledogue]

I find it's the "quick jobs" where you get hurt: the jobs where you pop over to the lathe to skim a few thou off a troublesome pin, or reach for a grinder to touch up a dull blade, or grab a chainsaw to free a trapped branch, or climb under an implement supported only by hydraulics, etc., etc., etc. It is difficult to maintain one's usual discipline when "it'll only take me a minute".

 

[winchman]

I saw the accident info via my HSE website feed, very sad for another accident that was easily preventable.
So what would be the correct way to polish something in the lathe?

 

[indykid]

I saw the accident info via my HSE website feed, very sad for another accident that was easily preventable.
So what would be the correct way to polish something in the lathe?

This sort of thing is what they got us for our workshop at work.

 

[cheb]

I saw the accident info via my HSE website feed, very sad for another accident that was easily preventable.
So what would be the correct way to polish something in the lathe?

Sub it out to someone more disposable