premmington
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Tyres got some odd wear to them as well - outer edges...
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Tyres got some odd wear to them as well - outer edges...
So, £40k in 2017.
What sort of money is the car worth today - any idea?
premmington
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I was just wondering how many thousands per year it cost to have one, that's all.No idea...? I don't want one!
Not becasue it is an EV - but because it is so poorly made!
But would think a twin motor one would be huge money now (but was some discounting reported on these mini Tesla's - don't know how true that is?)
If an EV is typical in depreciation to a family-sized ICE, then I think what 35% after 3-years, 50% after 5 yrs or so, so maybe 75% is a fair guess?
If so, it's value might be 10k, and it's lost 30k, meaning it's cost on average about £4285 pa.
Have a browse for values on ebay, there's a fair few on there
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Why guess? The numbers you are plucking out of thin air bear no resemblance to actual values which are easily found on Autotrader/eBay....
It will be worth somewhere around £25k, if the owner charged it at sensible rates for most of the miles then they will be way ahead financially in running costs as well compared to anything with comparable performance!
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But I starting to see allot of these BEVS now (you got to see them first @Ubique in the under warranty period).
But this is the second or third heavy EV I seen with - badly worn tyres on outer edges - whole set - not just the fronts.
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Not far off what I quessed - I reckon a 2019 Tesla 3 - single motor one with no panel damage and 70k on clock would trade at £21-£22k
EDIT to post: The car is a late 2017/18 car and an import RHD - the real age was hidden by a "vanity plate" - parts were ordered off VIN number - as there were no PNC listing for cars under 2019 on UK parts catalogues.
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This sounds quite interesting. Even though they have awesome torque I’m not sure i drive it any harder than my diesel. Maybe i do. One thing with the tesla - it has very little body roll, i am not sure if it has some sort of electronics controlling the suspension, but it doesn't roll at all when cornering. I guess this could load up the edges of the tyres more than if the suspension moved a bit
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I hadn’t thought about that Willie but you are right - those 70k miles would have been about 10k in diesel i guess. - probably 25% of that in electric. Probably more than pays for the (quickly diminishing these days) “premium” folk quote for the EV model over equivalent ICE in retail cost.
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The "sales reptiles" I speak to in the trade are frightened of underwriting hybrids (PHEVS) for trade ins.
Some dealer networks will only take there only "badge" back.
BEVS is an unproven market as yet (as any new product is for resale).
Leasing looks a better idea for PHEVS/BEVS - till the depreciation element of EV ownership has settled down (and it will in time).
I am very clear the 25% fuel cost against diesel is if you are charging at home - not fast DC injecting at the roadside.
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Looking like to me - the money for me will be "DC chargers" and selling full sets of tyres. Because trading these cars at the moment looks risky and repairing them is like "a living hell" at the moment.
That much huh?
If prices remain at those sorts of levels, then it makes it easy for me in future.
If (when) the vast majority of used Cars are EV/PHEV, and those sorts of numbers - I probably won't be a car owner. By then, any older remaining ICE's will have firmed up know price as availability falls and gets buoyed-up by the EV residuals (if they doing get taxed & legislated off the roads altogether).
As has been speculated before - its forseeable that anyone below "middle-income" average incomes (which are way more than typical earnings in Wales & the North anyhow) will be forced-out of the car.
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Sadly I have to agree that car ownership will become a thing of the past for a lot of people that are managing to maintain independence of mobility with an older ICE vehicle, the public transport alternative is in such a shambles and seems to be run to benefit the operators, not the potential customers. My daily commute takes 12 minutes in and 20 minutes back, if I was to use public transport (I've tried it) it takes 35 minutes in plus a 12 minute walk, and 55 minutes back, plus a 12 minute walk. Some of the techs live far enough away that it would take a couple of hours to get in using public transport, but about 40 minutes by car.
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Transport poverty is coming. It is mate...
But with the growth in population - it will be come along with food/water/housing/land/schooling/dental shortages...
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My 20 year old BMW didn't either, they termed it "Dynamic Drive". It was hydraulically controlled in conjunction with an electronic module somewhere.
Sometimes...just sometimes... I think I've lived too long.
Is that such a bad thing?
Go back 40 years and most families had only 1 car, children walked to school (no car to take them, and less traffic on the roads to kill them), the vast majority of people worked within a sensible distance of home, and people seemed to manage quite well.
Unfortunately we've all become so fixated and reliant on the motor vehicle that it's become a self perpetuating nightmare.
It's too dangerous to walk, because the roads are full of people driving 500m to the shops, so we all have to get in a car to stay safe.
Now my little car doesn't seem very safe compared to the big ones, so we all have to get a bigger car.
The roads are in a rubbish state so we all have to get big 4x4's to cope with the rubbish roads, which in turn cause more damage and make the roads even worse.
It's not safe for the kids to walk to school (possibly also known as I'm too lazy to walk with them), so we'll drive 1/2 a mile. I'm entitled to park right outside the gate though, so now it's traffic chaos and not safe for anyone to walk.
Until there us a change in attitude were stuck with what we've got, and maybe, unfortunate as it is, its going to take increased fuel costs, transport poverty, or whatever else to get people to realise that they're part of the problem and to start acting in a more sensible manner. (And I'll class myself in that group)
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I dont disagree with any of this, look at the continent, folk mostly live on multiple levels in large conurbations, public transport is far better managed and maintained. Here weve all spread out, suburban housing estates, industry locations are no longer say a ship yard employing 10000, or large factories with 1000s but small enterprise also well spread out, neither of these things aid the public transport just make it worse due to volume travelling to each place.Is that such a bad thing?
Go back 40 years and most families had only 1 car, children walked to school (no car to take them, and less traffic on the roads to kill them), the vast majority of people worked within a sensible distance of home, and people seemed to manage quite well.
Unfortunately we've all become so fixated and reliant on the motor vehicle that it's become a self perpetuating nightmare.
It's too dangerous to walk, because the roads are full of people driving 500m to the shops, so we all have to get in a car to stay safe.
Now my little car doesn't seem very safe compared to the big ones, so we all have to get a bigger car.
The roads are in a rubbish state so we all have to get big 4x4's to cope with the rubbish roads, which in turn cause more damage and make the roads even worse.
It's not safe for the kids to walk to school (possibly also known as I'm too lazy to walk with them), so we'll drive 1/2 a mile. I'm entitled to park right outside the gate though, so now it's traffic chaos and not safe for anyone to walk.
Until there us a change in attitude were stuck with what we've got, and maybe, unfortunate as it is, its going to take increased fuel costs, transport poverty, or whatever else to get people to realise that they're part of the problem and to start acting in a more sensible manner. (And I'll class myself in that group)
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Personally I think they're trying to do too much too quickly...in London for example the ULEZ zone is expanding in August as which point every pre 2015 (ish) diesel within the m25 will have to be upgraded!
...this is happening right after a pandemic which has disrupted the supply of new cars and hugely inflated new car prices and waiting times....and also knocked on into the used car market....so the timing is pretty terrible.
Telling people to buy a £40k EV or get the bus isn't really going to fly I think....when the kickback happens I sincerely hope the whole net zero project doesn't get derailed!
...this is happening right after a pandemic which has disrupted the supply of new cars and hugely inflated new car prices and waiting times....and also knocked on into the used car market....so the timing is pretty terrible.
Telling people to buy a £40k EV or get the bus isn't really going to fly I think....when the kickback happens I sincerely hope the whole net zero project doesn't get derailed!
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I am not so sure, I am no conspiracy theorist but I am not convinced a mindless drive to net zero is an answer (or even possible). And I will say it is mindless, driven by zealots who have lost touch, if they ever had any in the first place, with reality, coupled with self aggrandisement schemes that are purely political.
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