Energy prices.

[fizzy]

Compared to

Ocean disposal of radioactive waste - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/31404684750.pdf

https://cen.acs.org/environment/pollution/nuclear-waste-pilesscientists-seek-best/98/i12

US: Nuclear waste tank in Washington state may be leaking

Officials say an underground nuclear waste storage tank in Washington state that dates to World War II appears to be leaking contaminated liquid into the ground.

apnews.com

I know what I would prefer.

Stick it down a very deep borehole. Way below ground water.
In Africa a natural underground reactor ran for a few million years. Quite safe at the surface.

 

[fizzy]

Why don't people seem to understand we are in this mess because we have been messing about with renewables. So is Germany.
Our carbon footprint is still much higher than France.
And our electricity is far more expensive.
Just one Rolls Royce SMR will produce as much electricity as 2 massive windfarms. Cost six times less to build and provide continuous power with no CO2.

 

[fizzy]

Green is just anti nuclear under a different banner.
Sod the environment as long as we are seen ti be trying. Germany's solution is to burn more coal. British solution is to cut down more trees in the Amazon and ship the wood 4000 miles to Drax

 

[Kayos]

Battery storage is a very expensive joke. Ok for smoothing but nothing else.
That 600mw Battery would power a container ship for just 5hrs.
You would need 60 of those batteries to just cover a 1hr drop in grid power.
To cover a wind lull of 2 weeks which does happen you would need 20,000 of those vast Battery banks.
Why do people think we are now paying 28p per kw/h for electricity

I will remember that when I park a container ship in my garden

What a stupid, pointless comparison

 

[fizzy]

I will remember that when I park a container ship in my garden

What a stupid, pointless comparison

Not really.
How can you run a whole country on a battery that will only power 1 ship for 5hrs?

 

[Kayos]

Not really.
How can you run a whole country on a battery that will only power 1 ship for 5hrs?

Instead of just spouting nonsense on here, why don't you do something to make a difference?

 

[fizzy]

Instead of just spouting nonsense on here, why don't you do something to make a difference?

Getting personal is not on. I NEVER insult other forum members!

 

[AVI_8]

It's not that bad,wave, tidal and hydro make up about a 1/3 of Scotland s power generation.

And there lies the problem IMO
We’ve now got the huge blight on our landscape, in order to get a third of our energy.
So we need some new nuclear power stations to replace the likes of Hunterston which has now been switched off.
Im not going to mention the political party up here who are totally opposed to the tried and tested way of power generation over the past many decades as my posts get taken down when I do.
But we can’t switch on a third of a lightbulb, we can’t watch a third of our TV screens and a third of a Tesla cars battery range isn’t much good either.

 

[fizzy]

And there lies the problem IMO
We’ve now got the huge blight on our landscape, in order to get a third of our energy.
So we need some new nuclear power stations to replace the likes of Hunterston which has now been switched off.
Im not going to mention the political party up here who are totally opposed to the tried and tested way of power generation over the past many decades as my posts get taken down when I do.
But we can’t switch on a third of a lightbulb, we can’t watch a third of our TV screens and a third of a Tesla cars battery range isn’t much good either.

In fairness all the recent parties have turned their backs on nuclear. They have finally woken up but it will take 10 years before the first SMR is ready and we need quite a few.

 

[AVI_8]

In fairness all the recent parties have turned their backs on nuclear. They have finally woken up but it will take 10 years before the first SMR is ready and we need quite a few.

Yes and now we’re all being bitten on the backside because of inept governments well practiced head burial in sand regime.

 

[daleyd]

Stick it down a very deep borehole. Way below ground water.
In Africa a natural underground reactor ran for a few million years. Quite safe at the surface.

Stop peddling myths - it wasn’t a reactor it was a natural phnemona that produced about as much power as a light bulb, so nothing like a reactor really.

I know I’ve said this before but I’ve had quite a few dealings with reprocessing nuclear waste and it’s nasty, energy intensive process (this is just the reprocessing of waste and spent fuel, no mention of the production of the fuel in the first place) so to say that it’s a trivial matter to simply bury it is just wrong.

I think we should certainly have nuclear as a part of our mix - for now - but to keep bleating on about it being some sort of panacea which will solve all our woes whilst ignoring the drawbacks means you are as brainwashed as the nasty greenies you seem to dislike so much.

 

[Blobber]

At the end of the day there is no such thing as green energy, whichever way you want to produce it you still have to make a ton of kit which in turn uses masses of energy, a lot the materials are raped out of the ground by workers with little safety or pay and transported around the world by dirty old container ships, the working life of this modern "green energy generating" stuff seems to have a short life span before something bigger and better comes along that the taxpayer has to fund

 

[fizzy]

Stop peddling myths - it wasn’t a reactor it was a natural phnemona that produced about as much power as a light bulb, so nothing like a reactor really.

I know I’ve said this before but I’ve had quite a few dealings with reprocessing nuclear waste and it’s nasty, energy intensive process (this is just the reprocessing of waste and spent fuel, no mention of the production of the fuel in the first place) so to say that it’s a trivial matter to simply bury it is just wrong.

I think we should certainly have nuclear as a part of our mix - for now - but to keep bleating on about it being some sort of panacea which will solve all our woes whilst ignoring the drawbacks means you are as brainwashed as the nasty greenies you seem to dislike so much.

Why is it wrong to bury it 3000 feet down? What harm can it do to anything? Totally sealed.
Fusion is the only real long term answer. Obviously Fission is not perfect - but just look at France. They aren't being held to ransom by Putin and they put out far less CO2 than us.
I don't ignore the drawbacks - it just seems to me there are less than anything else.
Imagine an Aberfan with nuclear. Nobody calls for coal to be banned.

 

[Kayos]

Getting personal is not on. I NEVER insult other forum members!

It's a fact

Have you published your net zero ambitions for your company?
How are you reducing carbon and energy usage?
Do you have any kind of strategy other than bleating on (incorrectly) that wind is useless and we should have more nuclear (which I agree with, but I also understand the longer term issues)

 

[daleyd]

Why is it wrong to bury it 3000 feet down? What harm can it do to anything? Totally sealed.
Fusion is the only real long term answer. Obviously Fission is not perfect - but just look at France. They aren't being held to ransom by Putin and they put out far less CO2 than us.
I don't ignore the drawbacks - it just seems to me there are less than anything else.
Imagine an Aberfan with nuclear. Nobody calls for coal to be banned.

Is it possible that similar thing could happen with uranium mining as Aberfan (You seem to have confused coal mining with the use of coal which although related are not the same) - why not? It's a mined product, so there's of course a possibility it could.

We don't actually have any uranium in this country that is actively mined so it's unlikely to happen in this country though.

As for burying it in boreholes then it's been looked at and it was deemed to be too expensive and no one could give any guarantees that it wouldn't cause problems (Presumably people who know more about it than you or I) - so again, to say that there is simply no problem as "It's totally sealed" is just not right.

Nuclear waste disposal: Why the case for deep boreholes is ... full of holes

A start-up in California wants to use directional drilling technology to put America’s spent nuclear fuel into deep boreholes. But such a solution won’t be cheaper, safer, or any less politically toxic than a mined storage facility.

thebulletin.org

 

[fizzy]

Is it possible that similar thing could happen with uranium mining as Aberfan (You seem to have confused coal mining with the use of coal which although related are not the same) - why not? It's a mined product, so there's of course a possibility it could.

We don't actually have any uranium in this country that is actively mined so it's unlikely to happen in this country though.

As for burying it in boreholes then it's been looked at and it was deemed to be too expensive and no one could give any guarantees that it wouldn't cause problems (Presumably people who know more about it than you or I) - so again, to say that there is simply no problem as "It's totally sealed" is just not right.

Nuclear waste disposal: Why the case for deep boreholes is ... full of holes

A start-up in California wants to use directional drilling technology to put America’s spent nuclear fuel into deep boreholes. But such a solution won’t be cheaper, safer, or any less politically toxic than a mined storage facility.

thebulletin.org

They are comparing it to using mines which would obviously be cheaper.
As I have mentioned before the Boulby mine mine would be perfect and would take all of Britain's current and future waste
Some of the tunnels are more than 4,000 feet deep under the North Sea.
When the halite is removed the tunnels close back up due to the immense pressure sealing things permanently in solid rock.
How could that be a problem?
The mine is well up for it but nobody will give it considering due to prejudice and nothing more.

 

[daleyd]

They are comparing it to using mines which would obviously be cheaper.
As I have mentioned before the Boulby mine mine would be perfect and would take all of Britain's current and future waste
Some of the tunnels are more than 4,000 feet deep under the North Sea.
When the halite is removed the tunnels close back up due to the immense pressure sealing things permanently in solid rock.
How could that be a problem?
The mine is well up for it but nobody will give it considering due to prejudice and nothing more.

Robert Laybourne, managing director of Cleveland Potash, said to suggest otherwise was "gossip". He said: "It is total nonsense; ridiculous. There is no substance in it. The mine is not suitable for the storage of wastes, there is too much water about."

Nuclear waste disposal firm Nirex ruled out using the mine in 1988; but Mr Wennington says the stockpiles of plutonium waste have got to go somewhere

But yeah, just stick it down there….

 

[fizzy]

Robert Laybourne, managing director of Cleveland Potash, said to suggest otherwise was "gossip". He said: "It is total nonsense; ridiculous. There is no substance in it. The mine is not suitable for the storage of wastes, there is too much water about."

Nuclear waste disposal firm Nirex ruled out using the mine in 1988; but Mr Wennington says the stockpiles of plutonium waste have got to go somewhere

But yeah, just stick it down there….

I have been down there. Trust me no water in the deeper sections. Quite the opposite.
It was several of the managers I met who told me that it would be ideal and perfect for storing anything you want to vanish for ever.
There is also the salt mine in Cheshire which I have also been down. Again would perfect.
In fact Veolia are storing some low level waste down there already.

 

[daleyd]

I have been down there. Trust me no water in the deeper sections. Quite the opposite.
It was several of the managers I met who told me that it would be ideal and perfect for storing anything you want to vanish for ever.
There is also the salt mine in Cheshire which I have also been down. Again would perfect.

Just tell them then that you’ve been down there and it’s all ok - they’ll probably rethink their foolish decisions there and then

 

[fizzy]

Just tell them then that you’ve been down there and it’s all ok - they’ll probably rethink their foolish decisions there and then

I am repeating what senior managers told me who have worked there for 20 years. I trust they knew what they were talking about. Not just Googling for answers.
It's all political - imagine their share price if people thought they were going to put nuclear waste down there. Of course they will deny it.
Imagine the protestors.
The science will never be allowed to win against prejudice.