Crazy building control

[Muppet]

Any members on here building control officers,
I've a big enlargement to my house going on ,
as a joiner by trade and have been done four house builds start to finish ,
I thought new enough to dig the footing in virgin sand , remove the over burden including top soil and crap the hole site left on the corner plot ,
Building control has been to inspect footings pre concrete,
I removed all the crap from down to clean sand to 100 mm below new footing height ,
As it's my house I've over spect the footing at 300 mm deep
Sub floor is going to be 100mm c40 with 6mm rebar mesh over 1200 gauge visquein, again over spec,
construction is a suspended timber floor with spine walls concrete was thickened to 200 mm below each spine wall
I'm only 500 mm below outside floor level to the top of the footings,

As it's only sub floor , I rang control and asked did I need to be there and was told no ,
Today's visit came and I got I phone call saying it wouldn't be passed,

Reason a bit vague,
I've taken to much sand away , ??????
I explained it was a suspended timber floor ,
Answer I don't understand, i tried to explain to no avail, needs another visit !!!!!!

Had to cancel concrete, plant hire , 3 men ,
Does this look right to anyone

 

[Parm]

I’m no engineer or builder, but last year neighbors built an extension on a 150 year old cottage - built on about 300 mm footings.

He had to dig 1m footings

 

[mtt.tr]

Im a carpenter and can share your annoyance. Im doing a small 6x3 extension. Existing house footing start after 2metres. Awkward entrance so its its being piled. Its taken months to get this far.

 

[dobbslc]

1200mm footings and clay liner on my one.
It was 1500 mm on the last house! That's what you get for living on London clay!

 

[mtt.tr]

1200mm footings and clay liner on my one.
It was 1500 mm on the last house! That's what you get for living on London clay!

Job recently they wanted 3m footing. That was also piled,. Wish pilling came down in price, only took them a day.

 

[Muppet]

I just cannot see a reason ,
I'm Lucky around here as it's clean sand after 300 mm , best building substrate ,
200 mm of c35 and you can build two stories,
I'm only single scross the back double on the side ,
The sub floor doing nothing apart from the spine walls , ,
I've done the same on the last two extentins with the same building control ,
Different person though ,
Im going to call them in the morning and ask for a second opinion from a senior officer ,
I've lost the week now as I'm at work all week and only got the week ends to do the ground work ,
Going to have to cancel the brickie as he's due to start mon ,
Been waiting months for him as well ,

 

[mtt.tr]

I just cannot see a reason ,
I'm Lucky around here as it's clean sand after 300 mm , best building substrate ,
200 mm of c35 and you can build two stories,
I'm only single scross the back double on the side ,
The sub floor doing nothing apart from the spine walls , ,
I've done the same on the last two extentins with the same building control ,
Different person though ,
Im going to call them in the morning and ask for a second opinion from a senior officer ,
I've lost the week now as I'm at work all week and only got the week ends to do the ground work ,
Going to have to cancel the brickie as he's due to start mon ,
Been waiting months for him as well ,

Same here we've been delayed two weeks filled the hole with work now i dont have a space for it so it'll be evenings and weekends

 

[gaz1]

I thought new enough to dig the footing in virgin sand , remove the over burden including top soil and Jabberwocky the hole site left on the corner plot ,
Building control has been to inspect footings pre concrete,
I removed all the Jabberwocky from down to clean sand to 100 mm below new footing height ,
As it's my house I've over spect the footing at 300 mm deep
Sub floor is going to be 100mm c40 with 6mm rebar mesh over 1200 gauge visquein, again over spec,
construction is a suspended timber floor with spine walls concrete was thickened to 200 mm below each spine wall
I'm only 500 mm below outside floor level to the top of the footings,

As it's only sub floor , I rang control and asked did I need to be there and was told no ,
Today's visit came and I got I phone call saying it wouldn't be passed,

Reason a bit vague,
I've taken to much sand away , ??????
I explained it was a suspended timber floor ,
Answer I don't understand, i tried to explain to no avail, needs another visit !!!!!!

Had to cancel concrete, plant hire , 3 men ,
Does this look right to anyone

what below your pre concrete layer allready

what you may know is right isnt always right to the different areas that your in

what did planning say first visit to inspect footings pe concrete

if your quoting 300mm for pre footings its a no all depends on what building control said and this changes between different officers visiting

single floor or double floor sorry your so vague no bulding officer could answer you and none that arnt in your could area either different situatios for differnet areas as much as different requirements

 

[Muppet]

]what below your pre concrete layer allready

what you may know is right isnt always right to the different areas that your in

what did planning say first visit to inspect footings pe concrete

if your quoting 300mm for pre footings its a no all depends on what building control said and this changes between different officers visiting

single floor or double floor sorry your so vague no bulding officer could answer you and none that arnt in your could area either different situatios for differnet areas as much as different requirements[/QUOTE]

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New footing should be min of 900-1200 mm below external ground level around here
Ground water at 1100mm from the highest ground point on next doors garden which is 300 higher than mine

Build officer was happy pre concrete inspection ,
He asked for 200 mm , i told him 300mm as it's my house,
900 mm to clean sand , left 500-600 from top to ground ,
Bottom of new footing to ground water 300mm , building control happy ,
Explained , construction, he asked for sub floor to be thickened below spine walls , which I always do ,

Not sure what you meen by single or double floor ,
Ground floor suspended as per pic , top soil must be removed as well as construction back fill , ,
The level arrived at was to clean sand , only need 50 - 75 mm sub floor,
But I over spect again with 100mm and mesh and Visqueen , ,

the officer did ask what the groves in the sand was for ,
If a officer doesn't know differance between a suspended or block and beam and a slab floor , construction, that worries me

 

[500e]

@Muppet you have to remember some have been to university & know everything about nothing, we have the same clan around here

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Bc are very good around here.
Never had issue.

 

[gaz1]

@Muppet you have to remember some have been to university & know everything about nothing, we have the same clan around here

its the same in most areas

single or double means single or 2 storey building in our area they ask/demand that you over strengthen everything and also have really deep foundations due to people wanting to build extensions then build even higher

ive been stood inside of deep foundations digging it out by hand foundations was 5ft deep and i hadnt even hit the clay bed as thats what the inspector wanted to see, further down road the foudations was only 300 deep below ground level and used lintels over the drain area

 

[Muppet]

They are usually ,
I've used private companies for years but was getting different opinions , about the same building technique, so changed to the local council,

Had the same bloke on three jobs you could ask his advice on every aspect of construction, he would take his time to answer every detail ,

All I seem to be getting on my job are knobs ,
It took me over a year and a half to get the plans drawn ,
Draughtsman let me down twice ,
Planning wants a drive way vision splay , it's an existing drive way that's not been altered, 2 months of my time wasted sorting that
I'm on the third Structural engineer , send the plans get nothing back ,
Grab wagons don't turn up , for weeks
Hire plans breaking down , ,
Now this crap ,
Oh what joy work 12 hour days, get back start digging moving prepping ,

 

[Muppet]

its the same in most areas

single or double means single or 2 storey building in our area they ask/demand that you over strengthen everything and also have really deep foundations due to people wanting to build extensions then build even higher

ive been stood inside of deep foundations digging it out by hand foundations was 5ft deep and i hadnt even hit the clay bed as thats what the inspector wanted to see, further down road the foudations was only 300 deep below ground level and used lintels over the drain area

It's clay three miles around me ,
Had to hand dig over five foot deep by hand on a small extension, building control asked ,
Even though it was clean clay a foot down , had to go down to existing house level,

Never again ,

Control only ask for 200mm for 2 storey around here so was happy at 300 for both ,
Just found the number for the head of building control , so going to ask his advise in the morning

 

[Woody.v8]

My garage footings aŕe 2m deep because there's a tree 3 million yards away and had to be mass filled because there was seams of coal showing and if someone chucked a cigarette down there it would start a fire !
It was proper shiny coal that a 3 megaton bomb wouldn't have ignited , obviously he has never lit a coal fire.

 

[brightspark]

My garage footings aŕe 2m deep because there's a tree 3 million yards away and had to be mass filled because there was seams of coal showing and if someone chucked a cigarette down there it would start a fire !
It was proper shiny coal that a 3 megaton bomb wouldn't have ignited , obviously he has never lit a coal fire.

and a 300 foot shaft down to the bottom

 

[Muppet]

That

My garage footings aŕe 2m deep because there's a tree 3 million yards away and had to be mass filled because there was seams of coal showing and if someone chucked a cigarette down there it would start a fire !
It was proper shiny coal that a 3 megaton bomb wouldn't have ignited , obviously he has never lit a coal fire.

Ther was a cherry tree right next to the side extension footings , I cut it down a year before I started the dig , roots had a massive void under them all they asked was a shutter so the concrete doesn't spill in ,
Suppose I'm lucky with the ground ,
Just muppets every where

 

[Woody.v8]

and a 300 foot shaft down to the bottom

No shafts within 500ft of here they think.....

 

[slim_boy_fat]

No shafts within 500ft of here they think.....

Just how sure are they? Up here, the Water Board can't find where the mains supply runs for this end of the village. The plans were destroyed in a fire years ago [no digital copies ] and afaik they allowed the only guy who knew where they were to retire without ensuring they knew for sure. [he may have refused to tell them though, it's been suggested he might have had his reasons ]

 

[Muppet]

Well after being up most of the night trying to find. Solution, I gave up and went to work ,
Got a phone call at 4-30 fri afternoon from my sister who lives opposite saying building control had been round and where happy with the sub floor and get on with the concrete as they don't want the sub floor sand to dry out ,

Unbelievable,
I've cancelled all the plant, the concrete, three lads stood down , cancelled the brickie,
I managed to find out who's been round spoke to him ,
Nice bloke , I asked why the previous officer didn't have a clue what the construction method was ,
He didn't went to coment,
Going to complain mon , don't want that idiot near my house,
I'm now having to prep the site after work fri eve , move a drain, lay the mesh ,
12 pm fri night , good job I've understandings neighbors,