Buying/Taking over old company name.

[pedrobedro]

Sorry Fred, Jedward's already been taken

 

[Happy_welder22]

Ah Jedward the mark of quality that we will not likely see again........

 

[Alan Reynolds]

Posh Spice lost her case to stop Peterborough United also known as The Posh, from using the name. Peterborough had historic claim on the name.And Victoria was an idiot anyway.

 

[no idea]

Why try to relate a new product to the past glories of a defunct brand? If what you are planning to make will be to the standards of old Edwards products, why not come up with a new name and explain that you are basing your products on proven designs? This way, you avoid confusion between "your" Edwards and that of others with the same name (Butters welders come to mind where I remember getting confused between Butters NBC, Butters AMT, UK made Butters etc. and never being sure who to believe was genuine).

 

[Shox Dr]

Why try to relate a new product to the past glories of a defunct brand? If what you are planning to make will be to the standards of old Edwards products, why not come up with a new name and explain that you are basing your products on proven designs? This way, you avoid confusion between "your" Edwards and that of others with the same name (Butters welders come to mind where I remember getting confused between Butters NBC, Butters AMT, UK made Butters etc. and never being sure who to believe was genuine).

Good point, good example.

 

[pressbrake1]

Why try to relate a new product to the past glories of a defunct brand? If what you are planning to make will be to the standards of old Edwards products, why not come up with a new name and explain that you are basing your products on proven designs? This way, you avoid confusion between "your" Edwards and that of others with the same name (Butters welders come to mind where I remember getting confused between Butters NBC, Butters AMT, UK made Butters etc. and never being sure who to believe was genuine).

because I want to, not defunct destroyed and lost in corporate take overs.
metal worker nostalgia just like soppy Norton and triumph

 

[maz0]

Why not just start new and make your own name brand of quality machine? Either way you will probably find the product liability insurance the deciding factor regardless

 

[bricol]

Does China care anything about - trademarks or patents?

I think not...

Owning a patent or a trademark means one thing in China - you will sell one full priced article - they will buy it - copy it - then produce it by the container full...

Changing world... Copyright or any intellectual ownership has only a value in the past. You need money and warships to protect your sales now.

They even used our photo of our machine on their website for one of our copied machines . . .

Talking to company at a show in Germany last year . . . they had had to complain to the organiser about a Chinese machine that was that close a copy, they weren't certain they hadn't made it themselves for them! Even the name - UK one was called for example "Machine-X" . . . Chinese one changed their name from "Machine-X" at the show to "X-Machine" . . .

 

[Cobbler]

My father used to relate a story he had heard, don't know if there is any truth in it. Back in the 30's the Japanese would approach all the major ship builders for designs, then build them, copying all the specs given. All the major ship builders got together & handed over similar designs, the Japanese built it, launched it & it promptly turn upside down! End of copying problem.

 

[rtbcomp]

^^ I've heard a variation on that story. It happened during the war, we designed a top secret battleship and leaked the plans to the Japs. They built it, launched it and it promptly sank

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

^^ I've heard a variation on that story. It happened during the war, we designed a top secret battleship and leaked the plans to the Japs. They built it, launched it and it promptly sank

It stems from the 1920's when Vickers were building battleships for Japan, who would pay for bigger and better. Thus on paper Vickers appeared to by building better ships for a foreign power. Vickers even sent specialist to japan to build the other in her class. Leaving Japan to built the third. Good ships they were and very heavily modified in the 1930's.

Side note, even now the Japanese Navy shares a lot of routines and traditions similar to the Royal Navy, after all we did train their early staff.

But along with the 3 capital ships, we were designing and building the other ships to form the squadrons. Again we allowed japan to build the rest in their own yards. The ship yard the Yarmoto was laid down in was funded by Vickers and expanded by the Japanese.

But with out the history of designs we have here they made a few mistakes.
They had ships with big pagoda superstructures and a lot did turn turtle when we holed them. Plus a lot were lost when they leaked and rolled over in heavy sea's. Classic ones can be found in "Iron Bottom Sound".

Their submarines were also top heavy.

In the 1930's Japan had a rush of ship building and Armed forces expansion, (Blame the failure of the Washington Treaty) that builds of ships were over taking technology.


This design issue led the Allies in WW2 to employ the idea of torpedo one side of a ship repeatingly and bomb the other side.
Holes in the side to let water in, holes on top to let the air out.

 

[Kent]

With care because 1. You could get sued 2. Become liable for past debts owed.
Anyone Anyone Anyone Frankly its not worth it imo. Raise your own brand and make a point about it online.
Look up hebtro online a northern clothing brand that are building themselves online. Pretty much what your thinking but with thier own label

 

[pressbrake1]

Ive engaged a corporate lawyer.
Using a trademark is not restoring a dormant company and asking for trouble.

Thanks to rtbcomp for giving me the required info

 

[dannyp]

Only thing I can say is I do t think branding a new product with an old name helps anymore. As so much crap has been sold under the guise of a good brand

 

[Robbie260]

Come up with a new brand name you could make it echo those of the past with a fancy gold leaf logo in calligraphy style instead of following the style of most moderen logos being pretty ugly to look at.

Thought about crowd funding that might help give you the initial leg up if your quality is as good as the machines of old there will be many that would happily support you.

Wouldnt raise an old name from the dead there is to many potential problems to arise.

 

[pressbrake1]

Only thing I can say is I do t think branding a new product with an old name helps anymore. As so much crap has been sold under the guise of a good brand

I want to

 

[MattH]

I want to

Good luck then.

I would point out that this forum is a good cross section of your potential customer base and the reaction has been overwhelmingly negative.

Ignore market research at your peril.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

I want to

Which begs the question....why the thread?

 

[pressbrake1]

Good luck then.

I would point out that this forum is a good cross section of your potential customer base and the reaction has been overwhelmingly negative.

Ignore market research at your peril.

TBH I wanted to know how to track down how to find out about said rights which a gentleman on here told me that’s all

Wait and see, and as I said I’m doing because I want to.
I’m doing because once the uk wasn’t just a housing estate.
I’m doing it because I want real tools again.
In the professional coach builders world ranalah eckold And edwards mean something.
Eckold are still going but frighteningly expensive.
Volume is unimportant as the economies of scale won’t work.

Also it won’t be a lie like Irwin record it will be my name with the product being a besco ‘jinny’ or If I cast a wheeling machine it will be called a ranahla as that’s what we call them as they are different to a edwards, keetona or vickery

 

[pressbrake1]

Which begs the question....why the thread?

To find out how to track down who if anyone owns rights which it did!!