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I'm on W7 Pro. Not sure what version N is though...
What's the question with it?
What's the question with it?
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Yeah I just read up on it. Seems like it's ony a legal thing, and the OS is just the same. W7 is pretty good I think, with a few handy features. And a few not so handy ones too, but generally I think it's fine.
I'm working on a large (ish - about 1500 PCs) Win XP > Win7 Pro upgrade at work, and we dont get too much trouble with the new OS. I think XP was more robust though, and more tolerant of forced shutdowns, so I'm expecting a few issues with (stupid) users holding the power button down to force the machine to shutdown in a hurry. Time will tell though. I've built about 800 machines so far, and we've only had a few fatalities - probably less than 1 or 2%
All in all I think it's quite good, and I use it on all my home machines. I use W7 Ultimate though, but it's more or less the same.
I'm working on a large (ish - about 1500 PCs) Win XP > Win7 Pro upgrade at work, and we dont get too much trouble with the new OS. I think XP was more robust though, and more tolerant of forced shutdowns, so I'm expecting a few issues with (stupid) users holding the power button down to force the machine to shutdown in a hurry. Time will tell though. I've built about 800 machines so far, and we've only had a few fatalities - probably less than 1 or 2%
All in all I think it's quite good, and I use it on all my home machines. I use W7 Ultimate though, but it's more or less the same.
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W7 is no where nearly as good as XP. I`ve had far more issues and Just had to re install for no apparent reason. Notwanting to lose much of the data I had I`ve reinstalled on another Western Digital drive. Installation went fine but the and the updating process has blown that somehow!
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Not sure about the P4's really Sean, I've never been involved in the selection of harware and the pros of this and the cons of that! I just get a project dumped on me and, I figure out how to deploy it to the business without upsetting their deadlines and without losing user data. I sometimes enjoy pi$$ing off awkward users though! 
A 32 bit OS should be fine though, or did you specifically want to go down the 64 bit route?
A 32 bit OS should be fine though, or did you specifically want to go down the 64 bit route?
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Not sure about the P4's really Sean, I've never been involved in the selection of harware and the pros of this and the cons of that! I just get a project dumped on me and, I figure out how to deploy it to the business without upsetting their deadlines and without losing user data. I sometimes enjoy pi$$ing off awkward users though!
A 32 bit OS should be fine though, or did you specifically want to go down the 64 bit route?
Nah... 32 bit is fine, just cpuid the chip and its only good for 32 as expected, just couldn't remember, been away from this for a long time now, cheers for that.
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Been using windows 7 pro since release and find it great, the only real problem I find is that it will not support fax modems, you have to use a USB modem to use the scan and fax option. Still no support for internal fax/voice modems.
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i havnt seen any newer machines with the modems in them especially laptops, i think the makers think that fax is old hat now and wasnt of a high quality where as email is cheaper and you are able to send files.
i cant see fax being around for many more years
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Wha?
As much as I loved XP when I was using it, give me 7 over XP any day!
I've been running it for yonks, I use my PC a hell of a lot and it's barely put a foot wrong since the day I installed it.
Any time it's ever thrown a wobbly it's always been a very minor one and it's always sorted itself out.
XP - missing startup files, random BSODs....pah!
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Wha?
As much as I loved XP when I was using it, give me 7 over XP any day!
I've been running it for yonks, I use my PC a hell of a lot and it's barely put a foot wrong since the day I installed it.
Any time it's ever thrown a wobbly it's always been a very minor one and it's always sorted itself out.
XP - missing startup files, random BSODs....pah!
+1 (32 bit version anyway)
Moving & copying files is much better.
The only BSODS (Blue Screen of Death) I've had are with one particular program, and others have problems with it too.
It won't run my camera software (written for Win95) or work with my card reader, but apart from that I think it's great.
Megadethmania mention trouble with Western Digital Drives, I'm running two USB WD drives OK, but it's not a make I'd choose!
WIN 7 is pretty good been using it since first came out in Ultimate fashion. This pc run 32 and 64 bit WIN7 plus XP64 on triple boot.
No end of problems with XP32 and just as many with the rare 64 bit, mainly drivers.
P4 handled 64 bit i think from 2004 on, manufacturers could have been using old hat stuff in 2005. Either way its obsolete, even two yrs stuffs obsolete and not worth upgrading.
Incidentally Windows Media Player became a right pain from 12 months ago, no solution available for playing back home brew media previously played back. Just had to go over to Real Player as VLC not friendly.
No end of problems with XP32 and just as many with the rare 64 bit, mainly drivers.
P4 handled 64 bit i think from 2004 on, manufacturers could have been using old hat stuff in 2005. Either way its obsolete, even two yrs stuffs obsolete and not worth upgrading.
Incidentally Windows Media Player became a right pain from 12 months ago, no solution available for playing back home brew media previously played back. Just had to go over to Real Player as VLC not friendly.
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You will be starting again soon, W8 is out at the end of October.
Being told by Bill, or not Bill now, that you are not able to use the perfectly good hardware you have available is galling to say the least. I know stuff gets old and dies, but enforced obsolescence is really not on.
Most users could actually get away with the absolute minimum requirements, but get suckered into upgrading because they are told it will be a better experience.
A lot of you chaps seem to be business users, and therefore have applications which have been built to fit the various iterations of W$, but a number have also said that the new version does not give any discernible improvement and at times makes life harder.
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^^too right. Although I don't use any SW that requires a system upgrade or. I do think a lot of people upgrade for the sake of it.
I'm typing this on an IBM R51 running XP pro that is at least 8yrs old. It runs Corel Draw, Office etc, and many other programs I require. And I can surf the net just a fast as any machine.
The biggest problem most (and I'm one) have is the thing "clogging up" with Windows crap, slowing an otherwise perfectly good PC.
A very easy way around this problem is: once you have the system setup as you wish. ie Network/wifi, base programs installedDo a back up.
Then if you install a program that misbehaves, or a virus, or the system is clogging up/slowing down it's easy to reinstall a clean base.
You'll find that old PC you were looking to replace, is as fast at loading, programs. streaming youtube, etc. etc. as that shiny new machine sat in PCworld, that you would have to learn how to setup.
I'm typing this on an IBM R51 running XP pro that is at least 8yrs old. It runs Corel Draw, Office etc, and many other programs I require. And I can surf the net just a fast as any machine.
The biggest problem most (and I'm one) have is the thing "clogging up" with Windows crap, slowing an otherwise perfectly good PC.
A very easy way around this problem is: once you have the system setup as you wish. ie Network/wifi, base programs installedDo a back up.
Then if you install a program that misbehaves, or a virus, or the system is clogging up/slowing down it's easy to reinstall a clean base.
You'll find that old PC you were looking to replace, is as fast at loading, programs. streaming youtube, etc. etc. as that shiny new machine sat in PCworld, that you would have to learn how to setup.
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^^^I am on my Xp machine I built up a good few years ago. NO other W$ software on it. Open Office, VLC, Chrome etc sort me out. Only TurboCad needs W$ because I have not looked into free CAD properly yet. My Ubuntu machine does all the same for free and is based on an old W95 which I was unable to get new drivers for.
Repair, Reuse, Recycle.
Repair, Reuse, Recycle.
Good point that, newer operating systems and have tried them all since 91. I cannot tell the difference in internet connectivity between XP, XP64 or WIN7 32 and 64. This is with various machines 12 to 2 yr old.
I would probably say the old HP NC6400 running XP was quicker to load pages than this E6600.
Newer stuff handles video and data transfer quicker amongst other things.
I would probably say the old HP NC6400 running XP was quicker to load pages than this E6600.
Newer stuff handles video and data transfer quicker amongst other things.
I use several o/s and find Linux quickest online after booting. Usually within 10 seconds after the desktop appears.
Win 7 takes at least a minute or more to get online after the desktop appears.
XP Pro a little slower, perhaps over two minutes or more to get online.
All with the same Router which is already running when the pc is switched on.
All o/s on the same 32-bit machine. Linux is on an old 40GB IDE HDD with 5400 rpm.
The Windows are both on a 160GB SATA.
New is not always quicker...
Win 7 takes at least a minute or more to get online after the desktop appears.
XP Pro a little slower, perhaps over two minutes or more to get online.
All with the same Router which is already running when the pc is switched on.
All o/s on the same 32-bit machine. Linux is on an old 40GB IDE HDD with 5400 rpm.
The Windows are both on a 160GB SATA.
New is not always quicker...
