I’ve just put up two ledvance units, one with PIR and one without. Both are 20w. One at the front of the house and one in the back garden. The one at the front lights up our drive way which is 15m 8m. It’s a soft light, you can walk towards it but you don’t get blinded
I have a few Ledvance units and the light output is amazing. There seems a general move towards ice white stuff but these have a nice daylight kind of feel
The one thing that really surprised me is the angle of the beam, even if you have completely vertical the light is shining on the floor almost directly below it.
I didn't do a lot of research but we have an electrical wholesaler local who always seems to stock the best products and Ledvance is what they stock for floodlights.
They are also small/thin