Seg A322 punch (geko style machine), any idea on weight?

[jmp49]

I just bought this Seg type 322 A50 punch, and I was expecting a smaller machine when I set out to collect it, but when I arrived it was huge, that motor is at head height for example. Long shot but does anyone have any idea on how much it will weigh?
I went with my old master pickup which is legal for 1t in the flatbed, but the little bed crane mounts are maxed out at about 250kg, and there was no way I was trying to pick this up with it. The body looks to be 2 x sheet of 15mm thich steel, with a inner section between the two body sheets, and that's a 3 phase 3kw motor on top driving the punch mechanism being dwarfed by the rest of it. I have to go back on saturday to reattempt a collection and I was thinking of sliding it up some forklift extensions as ramps on some machine skates and with straps and a tirfor to encourage it up on its side into the bed but some specs on actual weight would be handy to know...



Any ideas?

 

[Erie Fred]

Ski's
get some timbers maybe 4" sq. x 6' long and bolt them thru the feet along each side.
Steel sliding on steel is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[jmp49]

I am going to strap some sleepers to one side, as what's not really obvious is those bolts all stick out enough to dig into everything, and ski or skate it with wood between. This is not my first machine moving rodeo
I'm more concerned with finding out what it actually weighs, so I know if I'm within limits on lifting/rigging equipment, or if I need something bigger...
I might resort to finding a local farmer with a telehandler and pushing euros into their hands to load it as long as its in the limit of my pickup bed but skidding it up the ramps seems a more controlled and safer option than having it swinging round in mid air farmer controlled.
I will definitely be transporting it laying it on its side, its really unstable because of the heavy motor up top and a narrow base. Think radial arm drill or large bandsaw but worse...

 

[Erie Fred]

I am going to strap some sleepers to one side, as what's not really obvious is those bolts all stick out enough to dig into everything, and ski or skate it with wood between. This is not my first machine moving rodeo
I'm more concerned with finding out what it actually weighs, so I know if I'm within limits on lifting/rigging equipment, or if I need something bigger...
I might resort to finding a local farmer with a telehandler and pushing euros into their hands to load it as long as its in the limit of my pickup bed but skidding it up the ramps seems a more controlled and safer option than having it swinging round in mid air farmer controlled.
I will definitely be transporting it laying it on its side, its really unstable because of the heavy motor up top and a narrow base. Think radial arm drill or large bandsaw but worse...

I moved my 5000 lb radial drill with sleepers bolted on cross wise. I have not seen a radial drill shipped laying down.
Laying it down is best (your punch), however you did not indicate such in your posting, hence the suggestions.

I did not suggest in any way, shape, nor form your lack of experience sir.

 

[MetalMonkey]

I would imagine over a ton, possibly more.

 

[voipio]

Based on an asumption that the two side panels are 1.5m square and 15mm thick, and made of steel, means those two side panels together would weigh around 0.54 tonnes, not allowing for the cutouts. Add on the weight of the internal gubbins, based on the extent of the bolt holes, times thickness, minus cutout, plus the weight of the motor. I would be guesstimating around the 1 tonne mark for that.

 

[jmp49]

All good! Still not certain of the weight, but... its on a friend's large flatbed trailer in my yard now. We backed the trailer up to it, attached the big tirfor built onto the trailer arrow and tipped it on the bed on its side pivoting on the end of the trailer with some large timber sleepers to protect fragile bits and a small winch to arrest its fall. Then winched it on using the ramps we had taken as skids. Strapped it down and home.
I've got to unload it now to return the trailer before next weekend, but I'll use my forklift which is rated 2.5t, so no worries there. I've got a 2t scale so I can weigh it as I lift it off for curiosity and post here the actual weight.
I'll put heavy casters on it with some extended feet so I can roll it about in the barn workshop so its not in the way when not being used like some of my other sheet metal working machines. Its got 3 round punch and dies with it, I think corresponding to common conduit hole sizes and a tool to tighten the punch.
I told the wife that the punches to fit it are on ali express, and she seemed to want to know specifics, so who knows what santa will bring me from my kids...

 

[jmp49]

Well we were under on our guesses, but not by much... 780kg. I havent ran it yet, been going through greasing the mechanism and adjusting springs etc so it reliably engages, and checking it out electrically it seems it has no earthing which with 380v 3 phase is a bad thing...

 

[MattF]

I was expecting a smaller machine when I set out to collect it, but when I arrived it was huge

Wonder how many of us have been in that position at some point(s) in time.