its not bad i told the guy who is teaching me how do stick weld which i perfer but am not getting much better with my runs at the moment just said have a go at mig so i did this is the result migs is not as fun tho the gun does most the work. cheers for the advice jrh89 ill try again as soon as im back from jersy hate working away means now welding for 12 days but like arnie said to his house made ill be back