L200 Tuning?

[James1979]

Odd one, but we have a few from different backgrounds on here so…..

I may be in line to acquire a Winton Onboard Power unit which is basically a PTO generator/ compressor.

Not interested in the generator side of things, just want the compressor.

Anyhow. The donor vehicle has a high idle controlled by the Winton unit so’s that when the compressor kicks in it revs it engine till the compressor blows off then it goes back to idle.

The fast idle is put into the ECU by Ford and is somehow switched in by the Winton panel.

Anyone had anything similar done to an L200? I’m assuming I’ll need someone to put a line of code in the ECU to then give me a fast idle which I can switch in and out.

I’m trying to work it all out before I buy the donor and strip it as I don’t want a load of useless kit. There may be a way of doing it without the winton panel but I don’t know enough to sort that.

 

[Agrismith]

Odd one, but we have a few from different backgrounds on here so…..

I may be in line to acquire a Winton Onboard Power unit which is basically a PTO generator/ compressor.

Not interested in the generator side of things, just want the compressor.

Anyhow. The donor vehicle has a high idle controlled by the Winton unit so’s that when the compressor kicks in it revs it engine till the compressor blows off then it goes back to idle.

The fast idle is put into the ECU by Ford and is somehow switched in by the Winton panel.

Anyone had anything similar done to an L200? I’m assuming I’ll need someone to put a line of code in the ECU to then give me a fast idle which I can switch in and out.

I’m trying to work it all out before I buy the donor and strip it as I don’t want a load of useless kit. There may be a way of doing it without the winton panel but I don’t know enough to sort that.

To run the ptos on the lorries quicker we knock the cruise control on same to build up air if they have been left a while.
Depending on the age of the truck there are plug and 0lay cruise control units available.
Would it be worth seeing if these units operate in the same way as HGv units do.

 

[finyuk2005]

Odd one, but we have a few from different backgrounds on here so…..

I may be in line to acquire a Winton Onboard Power unit which is basically a PTO generator/ compressor.

Not interested in the generator side of things, just want the compressor.

Anyhow. The donor vehicle has a high idle controlled by the Winton unit so’s that when the compressor kicks in it revs it engine till the compressor blows off then it goes back to idle.

The fast idle is put into the ECU by Ford and is somehow switched in by the Winton panel.

Anyone had anything similar done to an L200? I’m assuming I’ll need someone to put a line of code in the ECU to then give me a fast idle which I can switch in and out.

I’m trying to work it all out before I buy the donor and strip it as I don’t want a load of useless kit. There may be a way of doing it without the winton panel but I don’t know enough to sort that.

is that bayviews transit? saw it today on facebook
would be a handy bit of kit!

 

[Ubique]

Ford 'fast idle' is implemented in two ways, by BMS signalling on private LIN to the BCM & then by HS CAN to the ECM to raise the idle speed due to low battery voltage or by the HVAC module signalling high aircon load, again using HS CAN to the ECM.
In a traditional (i.e. throttle cable implementation) you could use a vacuum solenoid to pull on an auxiliary cable attached to the cable linkage at the injection pump and use a pressure switch to control the solenoid - similar to how Ford implemented 'reverse fast idle speed' on Escort diesel vans in the 90's

 

[James1979]

is that bayviews transit? saw it today on facebook
would be a handy bit of kit!

Yeah. Went and saw Kevin yesterday.

He wants to sell the whole thing which is a pain to be fair. I don’t need or want a humped transit in my life!!

Fancy going half’s? You could use a shed and a generator

 

[finyuk2005]

who would want a transit?!!

 

[James1979]

To run the ptos on the lorries quicker we knock the cruise control on same to build up air if they have been left a while.
Depending on the age of the truck there are plug and 0lay cruise control units available.
Would it be worth seeing if these units operate in the same way as HGv units do.

As my L200 doesn’t have a transfer box neutral, it’s the same set up as a transit so the standard prop shaft is replaced with one with an EM clutch in it.

You can’t put drive power through it apparently. I’m not sure why not but the instructions say don’t at all. Ever. !

Ford 'fast idle' is implemented in two ways, by BMS signalling on private LIN to the BCM & then by HS CAN to the ECM to raise the idle speed due to low battery voltage or by the HVAC module signalling high aircon load, again using HS CAN to the ECM.

Cheers. That may be useful if I can find out if L200s behave in the same way….

 

[James1979]

who would want a transit?!!

Not me

You. For a shed

 

[8ob]

I have a fair bit of Winton pto gear, the stuff here interrupts the prop to the rear axle and diverts to a compressor or generator or both.

Bob

 

[Agrismith]

As my L200 doesn’t have a transfer box neutral, it’s the same set up as a transit so the standard prop shaft is replaced with one with an EM clutch in it.

You can’t put drive power through it apparently. I’m not sure why not but the instructions say don’t at all. Ever. !

Cheers. That may be useful if I can find out if L200s behave in the same way….

I meant more the cruise control module. HGv ones allow the revs to be adjusted whereas some cars won't let you do this with the OEM cruise control. I think the aftermarket ones plug into the back of the throttle pedal sensor but not entirely sure.
I know Hilux you can just buy the stalk and plug it in and everything is already pre installed

 

[Ubique]

Cheers. That may be useful if I can find out if L200s behave in the same way….

Either wait for a hot day (might be a while ) or artificially heat the interior then whack it on to full aircon - if the revs raise to about 1100, it's mapped in the ECM. Simulating low battery SoC may be a challenge but if equipped with a BMS, there *should* be a raised idle speed function. I'm not sure how you'd replicate the conditions, but it should be possible.

 

[James1979]

I meant more the cruise control module. HGv ones allow the revs to be adjusted whereas some cars won't let you do this with the OEM cruise control. I think the aftermarket ones plug into the back of the throttle pedal sensor but not entirely sure.
I know Hilux you can just buy the stalk and plug it in and everything is already pre installed

Yes you can actually, you’re right. I remember I did that on a hilux years back.

 

[James1979]

I have a fair bit of Winton pto gear, the stuff here interrupts the prop to the rear axle and diverts to a compressor or generator or both.

Bob

That’s the one Bob. You can’t drive and run the pto at the same time if I read it right?

Have you ever installed one, or just bought them already fitted?

 

[James1979]

Either wait for a hot day (might be a while ) or artificially heat the interior then whack it on to full aircon - if the revs raise to about 1100, it's mapped in the ECM. Simulating low battery SoC may be a challenge but if equipped with a BMS, there *should* be a raised idle speed function. I'm not sure how you'd replicate the conditions, but it should be possible.

I’ll try that tomorrow. I can put a fan heater in there and try that.

If this doesn’t come off I may go plan b which is use AC pump as a compressor but I’d rather not

 

[8ob]

Yes I have used them, its the same setup I am using in the 101 landrover. Got some snaps of the prop take off somewhere. They cant run the pto equipment while on the move, all the pto gear is low rpm stuff, get the truck into fifth gear on motorway and it would lunch a compressor in very short order.

Bob

 

[Agrismith]

Are you looking for an auto shut down too or are you just happy to increase and decrease revs manually??

 

[8ob]

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[Ubique]

I may go plan b which is use AC pump as a compressor but I’d rather not

They don't last long as they're high pressure but low volume - and like to be lubricated. I've seen aux. belt driven air compressors in place of aircon compressors with a decent receiver but I can't for the life of me remember the manufacturer.

 

[willie.macleod]

Ford 'fast idle' is implemented in two ways, by BMS signalling on private LIN to the BCM & then by HS CAN to the ECM to raise the idle speed due to low battery voltage or by the HVAC module signalling high aircon load, again using HS CAN to the ECM.

Funnily enough I was going to suggest this as well, my Mini is waiting for a new cam timing solenoid at the moment and the fact that I can up the idle by making sure that the aircon is switched on is stopping it stalling at every junction. It doesn't actually need a high aircon load, the switch being on raises idle straight away.

 

[Agrismith]

They don't last long as they're high pressure but low volume - and like to be lubricated. I've seen aux. belt driven air compressors in place of aircon compressors with a decent receiver but I can't for the life of me remember the manufacturer.

Some New Holland tractors have a belt driven compressor fitted for the airbrakes.
As a very small amount of lorries maybe old paccar engines ???