Keyhole welding patent

[blueytoo]

While net surfing, I found a thesis called
"Keyhole gas tungsten arc welding: a new process variant"

What seemed odd is that the keyhole method is what is commonly used by welders and that is where the writer got his idea. And the nerve to call it "a new process variant".

Then I found a Japanese paper published in 1981.
Key Hole Welding of Aluminium Plate using TIG Welding Process
YASUDA Katsuhiko , HINATA Teruhiko , MIYAMOTO Sakae
Transactions of the Japan Welding Society 12(2), 8-13, 1981-10-01
http://ci.nii.ac.jp/lognavi?name=nels&lang=en&type=pdf&id=ART0003858888

Then I find that a patent has been granted in Australia:
http://www.ipaustralia.com.au/appli...als-welding-and-joining/patents/AU1998096166/

And a publicly listed company floated to develop the "technology".
http://www.k-tig.com/about-k-tig/

Interesting......

 

[zzr1200]

Seems like the Aussies are living to their convict ancestors way of making a living by ripping off other peoples work. Its all in the way you word it...

 

[norlander]

Seems like the Aussies are living to their convict ancestors way of making a living by ripping off other peoples work. Its all in the way you word it...

Strewth Bruce, gud job You got a fast bike cobber.

 

[KemppiFrog]

While having nothing against the Aussies (disclaimer) I found it mildly amusing that they have a Queen Charlotte's ball to present debutants (to a cake!) and social status is improved if you have a convict in your ancestors.
Goes to show, that classless societies still want social divisions...

Coat and hat grabbed on exit..

KF

 

[malcolm]

We have a number of valued Australian members on here who are encouraged to give back stick in return.

No expert in silly patents so can't move the thread forward. But we could focus more on that.

 

[zardoz]

There aint nothing new under the sun and all that.

 

[KemppiFrog]

We have a number of valued Australian members on here who are encouraged to give back stick in return.

No expert in silly patents so can't move the thread forward. But we could focus more on that.

They have stick welders down there? Gosh,I will try and improve my responses...

If a an idea is in the public domain (as in published), can you patent it?

 

[zardoz]

If a an idea is in the public domain (as in published), can you patent it?

Nope. Or at least supposedly so. It goes to a sort of patent arbitration where they decide if the new idea is the same as the one already in exsistance.

Or so i have always belived.... ?

 

[malcolm]

I thought you couldn't patent anything in the public domain. That's why you don't publish academic stuff in journals if you want a patent.

Sounds like either a cock up or funny words that won't apply to anything sensible. Couldn't get to the websites for some reason

 

[matt1978]

I saw this system demonstrated in January at a welding exhibition in Dubai. It was impressive but I did wonder what made they imagined made it so different to keyhole plasma which has been around for years...........

 

[anjum]

I've just applied to the Aussie patent board for a patent on....

A device consisting of fixed and moving parts that modifies mechanical energy and transmits it in a more useful form.
or
A system or device for doing work together with its power source and auxiliary equipment.
or
A system or device that performs or assists in the performance of a human task

Maybe they'll grant it.........

 

[zardoz]

even I can tell this is nothing special from whats already out there.

 

[Shox Dr]

I've just applied to the Aussie patent board for a patent on....

A device consisting of fixed and moving parts that modifies mechanical energy and transmits it in a more useful form.
or
A system or device for doing work together with its power source and auxiliary equipment.
or
A system or device that performs or assists in the performance of a human task

Maybe they'll grant it.........

They may well.. but it will only any good over there. That's why there's so much copying coming out of china, they don't respect any design or Patent rights.

I was once told a Patent is only as good as the money you can afford defending it so just get on a sell as many as you can, before someone copies it. (in the 90s IBM were issuing so many Patents and searching the US records they digitally reproduced them, it was freely available to search at the time)

 

[zardoz]

I was once told a Patent is only as good as the money you can afford defending it so just get on a sell as many as you can, before someone copies it. (in the 90s IBM were issuing so many Patents and searching the US records they digitally reproduced them, it was freely available to search at the time)

Indeed. (years ago) The Dyson guy was forced to go to court in the USA to defend his cyclone patent. The big guys thought they could just copy it, and deny it. Thinking that he wouldnt be able to afford to defend it. He mortgaged his house to defend it, becauuse he had to. If he hadnt it would just give other manufacturers the red light to steal whatever they wanted off him, he said.

 

[Shox Dr]

Indeed. (years ago) The Dyson guy was forced to go to court in the USA to defend his cyclone patent. The big guys thought they could just copy it, and deny it. Thinking that he wouldnt be able to afford to defend it. He mortgaged his house to defend it, becauuse he had to. If he hadnt it would just give other manufacturers the red light to steal whatever they wanted off him, he said.

There was a Channel 4 Doc on him yrs ago they interviewed one of his now main rivals, they were asked why they didn't entertain his design when he was hawking it around. The answer was we are in the market to sell dust bags, as Dysons didn't use one they couldn't see the benefit.

He want on to say that in hindsight they should have patented the lot and thrown it in the safe, never to be seen for twevlety years

 

[fizzy]

The USA have been the worst lately for granting all sorts of patents on things that have been in common usage for years.
They have also been patenting concepts as opposed to actual inventions.
Someone patented a method of exercising a cat with a laser pointer.

Worse was a company that filed loads of patents and then sued Blackberry for $600million.

http://news.cnet.com/Fixing-a-broken-patent-system/2010-1014_3-6212615.html