im back and i have a question already

[BrokenBiker]

I require the knowledge of the forum members.

I need to source a bolt. I don't know the length, dia or thread pitch so this should be an easy one.

it is a stock retaining bolt off a Baikal 27em o/u shotgun. I aquired the gun from a mate who was selling all his gear due to moving to oz. bought a job lot off him, sold all but the gun and in the end I only spent a fiver so it must be worth a try to fix it.

basically, it occasionally fires both barrels at the same time, even though it is a single trigger, and it also has an auto safety which I hate so I want to remedy both of these issues. only problem is the bolt that holds the stock on seems to be cross threaded and possibly way to tight anyway. have had it in a vice that is bolted to my welding bench, 60kg of cast iron weights on the bench to hold it down, my mate holding the stock straight and me with a screwdriver ground to fit properly, and a spanner on the hex of the screwdriver trying to undo the bolt, and still ended up getting nowhere except twisting the head off the screwdriver.

so, new plan, drill the head off the bolt, get the stock off and sort it out properly from there. but I don't want to touch it with the drill until I have a replacement bolt as knowing my luck I will drill it out and never find a replacement, then will have to make another part to accept a new thread and as I still don't have a lathe or mill again yet that is a big job in itself.

so any help will be appreciated. I have emailed York guns but had no reply, sportsman have no idea and I cant find anyone breaking a gun that has the part I need.

AFAIK the bolt is the same on all Baikal models with a wooden stock

 

[sparkysy]

That is a very nice shotgun BB! I don't know what size that would be but there is a gunsmith we do work for down here who is well known for his knowledge and might be worth a try Norman Clark of rugby 01788 579651

 

[500e]

Tell him Peter the radio man suggested he may be a help, be prepared for abuse at least at me all in jest I have allways hoped, he is a nice bloke deep down
E-mail :- guncrafts@btinternet.com

Workshop Telephone Number is:- 01458 273520 Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

Shop and workshop Telephone Number :- 01404 891867 Thursday and Friday.

 

[BrokenBiker]

cheers fella, will give him a ring tomorrow. it is a lot nicer than I thought it would be. its virtually brand new, I have put about 250 shells through it over the last week or so, and it is still really stiff and tight.

its not quite the same feel as my browning 525, but it is still a cracking little gun. just a shame about this bolt

was out with my father today with it on the clays, was the first time he has shot anything for about 30 years. he did ok and is now hooked again and was on about giving me money to buy a gun for him to use, until I pointed out I currently have a 525, a rizzini sideplate and this Baikal. also had an escort auto until 2 days ago but felt no need to keep it as I was fed up of chasing shells all over the place

 

[BrokenBiker]

Tell him Peter the radio man suggested he may be a help, be prepared for abuse at least at me all in jest I have allways hoped, he is a nice bloke deep down
E-mail :- guncrafts@btinternet.com

Workshop Telephone Number is:- 01458 273520 Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

Shop and workshop Telephone Number :- 01404 891867 Thursday and Friday.

cheers, will drop him a message. always good to have a contacts list full of smithies, never know when you might need one

 

[500e]

Good with the stocks as well

 

[BrokenBiker]

I was considering having this one done professionally, but after looking at it for a while there is only one scratch that isn't too deep, and just below the safety on the tang, the stock is about 1mm above the tang, so its not too hard a job. will probably finish it with birchwood caseys walnut kit. will make it look a bit different than others and I already have the kit here

 

[Bill Edwards]

I can't help on the thread unfortunately.
But I will say that they're quite underrated guns. Fantastic build quality, very reliable. Knock in a fence post with one then go back to shooting, it'll still work!

 

[Am333rcr]

Hi

It may also be worth asking the question on the gun trader forum/shotguns. The guys seem helpful have asked a few things.

Regards

 

[Freddy0309]

not sure if your a member or not but pigeon watch maybe a good place to ask, if not more then happy to ask for you

 

[BrokenBiker]

will wait to see if anyone replies to my emails, if not then I will try pigeon watch etc.

as for them being under rated guns, my father took great joy earlier watching a guy with 6 grands of perrazzi miss 9/10 birds on each stand, while I was smashing them left right and centre with my 5 quid Russian fire stick.

like I say, it doesn't feel the same as my browning, or the rizzini for that matter, you can tell there is a bit more finesse to them than the Baikal, but at the end of the day, all 3 of them do the same job, the same way.

the thing I like most about the Baikal is the ejector system. someone has sat down and addressed a problem I thought was only in my head. the ability to be able to de-activate the ejectors with the turn of a screw is fantastic in my book. when I go out lamping with a shotgun you can gurantee that I will forget to put my hand over the chamber and I will eject a shell into some random bush and then spend more time looking for it than I did shooting the rabbit. the Baikal has solved that, just turn the ejectors off and use them as extractors instead

 

[doubleboost]

Once you get the remains out
I could make you a screw / bolt no problem

 

[BrokenBiker]

cheers for the offer, if I need one made I will let you know and try and get a quick drawing knocked up, or failing that I could send you the part it screws into

 

[octo0072000]

could there be a lock nut on the other end of the screw?

 

[BrokenBiker]

could there be a lock nut on the other end of the screw?

no, it threads into a 'T' piece, the downwards part of the T is the bit this threads into, then the horizontal bits bolt to the action so it all pulls tight to the stock.

I have been told that there are a few issues with them being cross threaded at the factory as they are churned out at a massive rate, and they are run in with air guns, so once its in it stays in. I had a side by side Baikal and had that apart a few times, wish id made spares when I had the chance as they are the same parts in all of their guns

 

[Bill Edwards]

as for them being under rated guns, my father took great joy earlier watching a guy with 6 grands of perrazzi miss 9/10 birds on each stand, while I was smashing them left right and centre with my 5 quid Russian fire stick.

like I say, it doesn't feel the same as my browning, or the rizzini for that matter, you can tell there is a bit more finesse to them than the Baikal, but at the end of the day, all 3 of them do the same job, the same way.

They're all a pair of tubes with a pin at the end, behind that a lump of wood, then usually right at the end a loose nut who can't point the thing in the right direction.
Finer engraving, a smoother feel and a more decorative piece of wood doesn't seem to have any effect on where the shot lands! How the gun fits is 90 something percent of it. I've hit more with a £100 Lanber (rated similar to Baikal) and a Turkish pump that many consider unsuitable for using as a hat stand than I have when using Brownings etc with values up into a good couple/few thousand. 'Cos they fit me so the shot goes where I want. Or rather, less of it misses!

 

[octo0072000]

no, it threads into a 'T' piece, the downwards part of the T is the bit this threads into, then the horizontal bits bolt to the action so it all pulls tight to the stock.

I have been told that there are a few issues with them being cross threaded at the factory as they are churned out at a massive rate, and they are run in with air guns, so once its in it stays in. I had a side by side Baikal and had that apart a few times, wish id made spares when I had the chance as they are the same parts in all of their guns

sounds like you are drilling it out then

 

[BrokenBiker]

yeah probably. once I know if a replacement is readily available I will drill the head off, pull the stock off and try a bit of heat and some vise grips, if that doesn't work I will drill it out on the lathe in work. if its not a metric thread I may tap it to be metric and easily replaceable in the future.

gun is only going to be used for clays in the hands of my father so isn't going to have a lot of use, but would rather find out why it is double firing than let it continue until something drastic happens

 

[BrokenBiker]

They're all a pair of tubes with a pin at the end, behind that a lump of wood, then usually right at the end a loose nut who can't point the thing in the right direction.
Finer engraving, a smoother feel and a more decorative piece of wood doesn't seem to have any effect on where the shot lands! How the gun fits is 90 something percent of it. I've hit more with a £100 Lanber (rated similar to Baikal) and a Turkish pump that many consider unsuitable for using as a hat stand than I have when using Brownings etc with values up into a good couple/few thousand. 'Cos they fit me so the shot goes where I want. Or rather, less of it misses!

all three of mine fit me, the browning fit from new, just needed a slightly longer butt pad on it, the rizzini had to be tweaked a bit at the pistol grip to alter the drop and the Baikal fits right out of the box. my escort didn't fit too well, but I could still hit most things by the time I had emptied 3 shots from it lol