Failed MOT

[slim_boy_fat]

One for @premmington or @doubleboost I suspect.

Neighbours vehicle was presented for its MOT yesterday and failed on a number of things, I understand. Expiring MOT would have been valid until 2/2/2023.

The testing garage couldn't do the required repairs then so the vehicle has been booked in for next Monday, yet the vehicle has been driven home, to return then. Fair enough, I suppose - booked for a fresh MOT and all that.

The thing I find odd is that the testing garage didn't issue a fail notice on the system, I'd have thought that would be compulsory with no 'wiggle room' in the system? Question is to satisfy my own curiosity - what would the situation be if there was a RTA involving the vehicle in these circumstances?

 

[Cato]

If they didn't issue a notice/log it on the system then it hasn't failed and has a current MOT until 02/02/2023.

 

[m_c]

The existing MOT is still valid. It's very rare a valid MOT will ever be cancelled.

However from a legal perspective, the vehicle is not currently roadworthy.

The key thing to remember, is the MOT only indicates the vehicle meets a minimum roadworthiness at the time it was tested.
The fact a vehicle may or may not have a current valid MOT would have little bearing on an RTA, as the actual condition of the vehicle would be assessed.

 

[maroon]

depends on the fail. you can also still take it to get repaired in expiry i believe.

like if the lights didn't work and you had a crash in the daytime it wouldn't make any difference on the accident.
there is a lot of grey area and wiggle room. common sense normally prevails.

 

[Shox Dr]

Plod would have a field day.

(When I had my RTA they told me I was lucky was wasnt done for a number spacing on the plate)

 

[tom 748]

depends on the fail. you can also still take it to get repaired in expiry i believe.

like if the lights didn't work and you had a crash in the daytime it wouldn't make any difference on the accident.

check on the dvla website

 

[Ruffian]

It probably is logged as a fail. Just they kept the certificate for the work to be done on Monday.

Otherwise would have had to been aborted test ten start a fresh test,

Using 2 test slots not one.

Unless they want to try charging for 2 tests.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

It probably is logged as a fail.

Doesn't appear on the system, apart from saying MOT expires on 2/2/2023. I'd have thought the garage, if they do a test, would have to record it?

 

[MetalMonkey]

Depends if they actually logged on to the system and did the test, or did a pre-mot test to see what repairs would be required before they MOT'd it.

 

[Shox Dr]

Doesn't appear on the system, apart from saying MOT expires on 2/2/2023. I'd have thought the garage, if they do a test, would have to record it?

Some garages know its a fail before starting so dont log, just advise it would fail

 

[slim_boy_fat]

Some garages know its a fail, before starting so dont log, just advise it would fail

Anywhere I've used, the first thing they've done is log into the DVLA site and enter the vehicle details, then they get on with the test.

 

[Shox Dr]

Anywhere I've used, the first thing they've done is log into the DVLA site and enter the vehicle details, then they get on with the test.

You cant beat a friendly test centre.

 

[armalites]

I put our selection of vehicles and few friends through the same place. Ironically the only vehicle I've ever had fail is my own daily driver. I generally try and do it on the first available day which brings up the question of whether the vehicle still has a valid MOT after it fails.

When I checked the MOT status on the DVLA webpage it very clearly stated my vehicle had a valid MOT but when digging deeper and checking the MOT history the MOT failure was also shown.

My failure was something you could not check at the side of the road without tools so it would be interesting to know which set of data the ANPR/Police are using given my vehicle still showed as having a valid MOT

 

[armalites]

You cant beat a friendly test centre.

I am all for a bit of common sense on things that are not a safety issue but I used to use a MOT that was pretty flexible and had a very lucky escape on something that should have been flagged. I had a ball joint separate just before I turned up a slip road on to the M4.

Personally I would rather stuff be flagged up especially when it's someone else's car.

 

[bricol]

I've got into the habit of waiting until my MOTs expire for the cars I only tax for part of the year - meaning I can drive it to the MOT, and from there to a place of repair if needed (ie back home), and back for the retest, without having to tax it first . . . just in-case.

I'd be a bit upset if a vehicle of mine, maintained by me, failed an MOT I presented it for though . . . not happened in the last 20 odd years. Currently fleet of trials cars, summer cars, winter cars, cant ever get rid of cars, stands at seven

 

[Shox Dr]

I am all for a bit of common sense on things that are not a safety issue but I used to use a MOT that was pretty flexible and had a very lucky escape on something that should have been flagged. I had a ball joint separate just before I turned up a slip road on to the M4.

Personally I would rather stuff be flagged up especially when it's someone else's car.

Agreed. I wasn't suggesting they would turn a blind eye. I wouldn't take my stuff there if they did.

 

[slim_boy_fat]

Aha, as if by magic the test has now appeared on the site. Here are the results:

• Nearside Rear Brake pipe excessively corroded (1.1.11 (c))
• Offside Rear Brake pipe excessively corroded (1.1.11 (c))
• Nearside Front Brake hose ferrule excessively corroded (1.1.12 (f) (i))
• Offside Front Brake hose ferrule excessively corroded (1.1.12 (f) (i))
• Rear Exhaust has a major leak of exhaust gases (6.1.2 (a))
• Emissions not tested Due to exhaust leak (8.2.1.2 (d))

Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):

• Hydraulic brake cylinder corroded but not seriously weakened Both rear (1.1.16 (d) (i))
• Nearside Rear Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing (5.2.3 (d) (ii))
• Nearside Rear Suspension component pin or bush slightly worn Axle bush (5.3.4 (a) (i))
• Offside Rear Suspension component pin or bush slightly worn Axle bush (5.3.4 (a) (i))
• Gearbox mounting defective
• Offside Front Driveshaft bearing has slight play

Better late than never, I suppose. The question(s) were asked because the owner couldn't recall why it had failed, so I thought I'd look to see.....

@Wozzaaah Thread could probably be closed now.