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sparkysy
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Might be the best thing since sliced bread!
Tbh it bothers me little putting sleeve on CPC's especially if it's the correct size as it rarely falls off unless it's extremely short.
I do use a lot of other cables that have sleeved CPC's and it does save time not putting it on, but not a noticeable amount!
I will give it a try when it comes into stock at our local wholesalers and report back my findings!
Tbh it bothers me little putting sleeve on CPC's especially if it's the correct size as it rarely falls off unless it's extremely short.
I do use a lot of other cables that have sleeved CPC's and it does save time not putting it on, but not a noticeable amount!
I will give it a try when it comes into stock at our local wholesalers and report back my findings!
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Supposed to be the same price too. let's see how much more CEF manage to charge!Might be the best thing since sliced bread!
Tbh it bothers me little putting sleeve on CPC's especially if it's the correct size as it rarely falls off unless it's extremely short.
I do use a lot of other cables that have sleeved CPC's and it does save time not putting it on, but not a noticeable amount!
I will give it a try when it comes into stock at our local wholesalers and report back my findings!
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Might be the best thing since sliced bread!
Tbh it bothers me little putting sleeve on CPC's especially if it's the correct size as it rarely falls off unless it's extremely short.
I do use a lot of other cables that have sleeved CPC's and it does save time not putting it on, but not a noticeable amount!
I will give it a try when it comes into stock at our local wholesalers and report back my findings!
@sparkysy Does this change testing procedures?
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Supposed to be yes, we will see!
I actually can't dis CEF, I get better prices from them than nearly all the other wholesalers in my local area!
@Brad93
If you screw or cut through a twin and earth cable there is a high possibility it will short one conductor or another to earth, I see your reasoning with this, as it will be insulated it may not Pearce the insulation and may not cause disconnection by the protective device.
In very unlucky circumstances if only the live was caught it could cause an almost undetectable fault, until someone touched it!
But then with every circuit in a domestic premises now protected by RCD at least the disconnection would be swift. 0.4s as long as the RCD was functional!
Sy
I actually can't dis CEF, I get better prices from them than nearly all the other wholesalers in my local area!
@Brad93
If you screw or cut through a twin and earth cable there is a high possibility it will short one conductor or another to earth, I see your reasoning with this, as it will be insulated it may not Pearce the insulation and may not cause disconnection by the protective device.
In very unlucky circumstances if only the live was caught it could cause an almost undetectable fault, until someone touched it!
But then with every circuit in a domestic premises now protected by RCD at least the disconnection would be swift. 0.4s as long as the RCD was functional!
Sy
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I don't think it will change test procedure. This type of cable has been around for a while in other places (Ireland for certain)
And I don't know of any amendments to testing as a result!
Perhaps if there are any Irish sparks on here they could enlighten me?
Sy
I don't think it will change test procedure. This type of cable has been around for a while in other places (Ireland for certain)
And I don't know of any amendments to testing as a result!
Perhaps if there are any Irish sparks on here they could enlighten me?
Sy
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I'm not a spark (i tidy up after myself etc) but a keen DIYr.
This is for sure an advancement I hate the exposed centre wire. This would be much tidier install. And they said in the video they are sending it to wholesalers for the same price as the original type. I guess if they give us the same price when buying is another story but sounds good.
This is for sure an advancement I hate the exposed centre wire. This would be much tidier install. And they said in the video they are sending it to wholesalers for the same price as the original type. I guess if they give us the same price when buying is another story but sounds good.
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Is it though?
In the US they don't sleeve the CPC, and their accessories have a lot more exposed terminals than ours do, so more chance of them making contact with each other.
I do see @Brad93 s point about it being insulated and so not providing quite such an effective means of disconnection under say a screw going through it or the cable becoming crushed, so perhaps from that perspective it's not quite so safe?!
And it only takes seconds to snip a bit of sleeve off and slip it on the bare conductor.
Also you gotta think, all that extra unnecessary PVC that is going to be used on something that has never been needed in this type of cable!
Sy
Edit,
Also BASEC have approved this cable, so it has to be as safe as the existing regulations stipulate, or it wouldn't have been approved!
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Yes in theory as long as this cable is only used on new install/rewire where board has all the proper RCD protection, you'll probably get a short belt through screwdriver, saw, hammer etc. That's what i was thinking of, mechanical damage from screws, nails, saws, drill bits piercing live and not the earth.
If electricians start chucking this in to properties that don't have an RCD, you could run into problems, without regular testing, a damaged cable could go un-noticed.
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How would you get a shock from an earth?
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what was going to say less chance of an earth fault happening if the cable is damaged
yes i can see the help in terms of speed as no sleve but i was always taught that you use the earth to strip the cable back now its sleved does it still do that ?
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Nope they're in cahoots with the plier manufacturers to sell more stripping tools haha
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Current regs everything domestic needs to be RCD protected now anyway so other than say replacing an existing damaged section of cable anything you’re putting this cable in for should be RCD protected or you should be adding in RCD protection.
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@JOEPRO only on live conductors, this is a CPC so if done properly will be connected to the earth bar of the installation.
Even under fault conditions it would only be live for the length of time it took to trip the protective device (ie. 04s) or 5 seconds if on an MCB.
@angellonewolf
Yes that is what I and Brad are on about!
And I was always taught to run a knife down the CPC to strip it, rather than pulling the Cpc, but it will cease both methods I think!
Yep more tools to have to buy! Saying that I have the CK Automatic strippers and they are superb for T&E!
Even under fault conditions it would only be live for the length of time it took to trip the protective device (ie. 04s) or 5 seconds if on an MCB.
@angellonewolf
Yes that is what I and Brad are on about!
And I was always taught to run a knife down the CPC to strip it, rather than pulling the Cpc, but it will cease both methods I think!
Yep more tools to have to buy! Saying that I have the CK Automatic strippers and they are superb for T&E!
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Short circuit, bad wiring or faulty electrical devices?
I certainly can happen and I've seen covers missing on junction boxes in lofts etc and bare conductors.
Of course this should not happen but it does on occasion. Having all conductors fully sheathed going forward would reduce the potential exposure.
It appears some people have reservations and that's fair enough too. For me personally I like the idea and I will be looking for it for my house.
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to be fair ive a few tools for wire working and dont do it every day but normaly most for replacing plug socketsYoutube electricans that use 37 different tools to strip and wire a socket
to put in a socket on a back box wire snips cut a cm down the cpc pull apart the live and neutral grab the cpc pull at an angle to slice the out cable down 2 or 4 inchs what ever you need use snips to cut off the outer cable snip of sleve for cpc and then use wire cutters to strip the live and neutral and then use screwdriver to install to the socket tight and then smaller screwdriver to screw back to the back box is that not how every one does it i mest be getting old
near every thing done using the wire snips apart from tightening the screws
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Good job I'm retired, I used to use the cpc as guide to run a blade down when stripping T&E.
