comercial/industrial electrical qualifications/certificates.

[gaz_moose]

basically, I work in automation. I have a good solid mechanical background but if I want to progress up the job ladder I need electrical knowledge which I currently have none of apart from messing around with old cars which isn't really the same as 3 phase stuff. basically its so I can rewire panels/motors etc.. without danger of death. most of the guys here are sat on their HNC/HND high horses and I don't have the time/money/brain power to get to that status but a level 2-3 in the subject will bolster my CV out nicely.

my local college don't really seem to be much help apart from trying to get me to sit in a class room one day a week with a load of spotty children which is impossible for me as im a grownup with a day job, or they offered me an evening 2391 course which from doing research I doubt I will pass as a beginner.

ive had a good look around the interweb and ive just confused myself, so I thought I would ask on here as some of you guys sound like you know what you are on about. what qualifications/courses should I start with/are worth a damn to a potential employer.

sorry for the essay.

regards, gaz.

 

[Robotstar5]

Not sure what the "modern" route into industrial electrics is as I did an apprenticeship to get EITB Electrical maintenance and installation (J02 & J22) which probably doesn't exist now!. I will makes some enquiries.

MK may know what to look for?.

 

[madkayaker]

Technical certificate, nvq and trade test is what's needed. 2391 is for experienced tradesman who want to progress to approved electrican grade (but no formal entry requirment). Not sure what the current city and guilds technical certificate is it changed just as I was moving on from working at the college. http://www.jib.org.uk they used to have a bit about what's hpneeded to be graded an electrican

 

[BrokenBiker]

Nvq level 3 electrical engineering, eal unit no 33 i think. I did it and its quite versatile. Deals a lot with 3 phase, motors, control systems, a bit of basic plc and a slight touch on domestic stuff, radial and ring mains normally and a few lighting circuits.

 

[Cyberprog]

I'd suggest to start with the C&G 17th edition, and see how you get on there. It's a pre-req for a lot of the other courses, and can be done in a week.

 

[Robotstar5]

I'd suggest to start with the C&G 17th edition, and see how you get on there. It's a pre-req for a lot of the other courses, and can be done in a week.

Sorry, I have to disagree, it only proves you can navigate round the "big green book", someone on another forum did an experiment with some of his non-electrical staff, 3 out of 4 passed a test paper!

 

[Cyberprog]

Yep, but at least it's a start, and it's a pre-req for the other courses anways. Not too expensive anyway.

 

[gaz_moose]

this is the thing, I cant seem to find a decent 'path to follow' I even asked some of the big gaffers what they would look for on a new applicant CV but most of them are old skool so only really know the old numbering scheme if any hence why we have a load of mongoles with degree's walking around.

im prepared to pay for it and I know it wont be cheap to learn but it will land me an easy 8-10k pay rise so its a no brainer. I don't want to get stitched up with a mickey mouse diploma from one of the million training providers.

 

[madkayaker]

I'd suggest to start with the C&G 17th edition, and see how you get on there. It's a pre-req for a lot of the other courses, and can be done in a week.

It's not a requirement for other courses and if you do the nvq your accreditated the edition of the wireing regs current at time of study so doing it seperate is a waste of money. To do the nvq you need to be employed in the sector so you looking for an apprenticeship really (oldest lad I had was a retired fireman fantastic apprentice for the firm he was with)

 

[Cyberprog]

If you chose to go down the C&G route, it's certainly a pre-req for the inspection & testing modules.

 

[madkayaker]

If you chose to go down the C&G route, it's certainly a pre-req for the inspection & testing modules.

No it isn't. The only pre requirments of the2391 is "sufficient technical understanding". As I have already said if you get your nvq you are credited with the wiring regs current at time of nvq as you have showen sufficient understanding, the 2380 17th edition is only an excesise in looking stuff up in the regs book as it's 30 question multi choice open book online exam designed for people who passed under previouscwireing regs or for trades such as plumbers to gain the knolage to apply for part p registration in building services sector.

 

[Robotstar5]

or for trades such as plumbers to gain the knolage to apply for part p registration in building services sector.

Just don't make that statement on an electrical forum, you'll be lynched!

 

[madkayaker]

Just don't make that statement on an electrical forum, you'll be lynched!

I know Horrible trade poo chasing

 

[gaz_moose]

think im going to look into c+g 2365 level 2 which seems to have replaced the old 2330 course.

it seems a bit of an egg chicken situation as you cant do certain courses without being in the trade but cant be in the trade without doing the course.

now to find someone who will teach me for less than 6k....

 

[madkayaker]

Problem you will have is colleges get LOTS of money from goverment to keep 16-19 off the jobless figures so aren't that interested in older students. That's one of the reasons I left

 

[Robotstar5]

2365 seems to be the way to go, info here but haven't found any evening only classes, if the qualification will benefit your employer would they release you one day a week?

 

[gaz_moose]

makes me sick to know that if I did it as a kid it would be practically free. I remember having to pay £15 for my first year at college.
ive got some crappy personal development meeting next week so may sucker punch them with this one. but its a big bull**** company where no one likes to make decisions. plus in their eyes the more I know the more I should earn so they may try and keep me down to pay me less.

im glad you guys agree with the 2365 path! I was beginning to get dizzy looking at all the different options.