Ali Express is very helpful w.r.t. Scammers

[Dapph2]

I messed up earlier and some how posted this in a Netfix thread .

Warning scam likely

Have ordered a new battery driven super electric joystick or phone controlled self folding buggy from Ali Express at a mid price of £1750 inc. shipping .
Paid via PayPal to my Ali Express account .

A day later I get a WhatsApp asking me to pay outside of Ali Express direct 6to them using my PayPal .. fortunately I didn't see this message the day it was sent for I left my phone in my car.

I get an email from AliExpress asking me if someone had asked me for more money , if so please go to my account and read their internal Ali Express mail ..I did .

Acknowledge the request for more money but said I had not paid .
Ali came back a few minutes later saying , " It is suspected fraud , we have cancelled the order and have refunded your payment to PayPal , two days later the money is back in my PayPal and another two days later as it hadn't been claimed it was refunded to my credit card.

Still wanting this sort of buggy I went back into Ali Express ..found another almost identical buggy for a few pounds more , including shipping to my address.. read the blurb yes it's what I want with the 20 Ah 17 miles battery , so I ordered it and again paid Ali via pay pal through my credit card .

Four hours after I get a message gushing mesage telling me how good it was & advising me it was very expensive to ship , they do not use ALI's PayPal system for payment "Please pay us direct via your PayPal " Meanwhile I'd re read my order on AliExpress . Lovely prominent warning
" Do not proceed with a transaction if the seller asks for payment outside of Ali Express or you will lose all the protections afforded by our contract .

A second What's app arrived saying , " You have misunderstood the first message , pay us direct outside of PayPal and we will give you a good discount . . Regards Betty " .

After contacting AliExpress I get a 1 to 1 helper using a translated typed conversation to advise me , they cancelled the order and I have to contact PayPal and my credit card company so I can ask for a charge back payment .

Credit card people were extremely helpful setting me up with a real human to talk me though the charge back on PayPlal . It's a bit convoluted but eventually after 20 min it was sorted & sent to PayPal and the payment for the credit card given a security suspension notice .


The AliExpress company advertiser was ;- " Move Ride Int'l Store Store " .

Being a pig for punishment and still wanting the buggy as an eBay advertised one was recently asking for £3995 delivered I went back to Ali Express .

Found one that is £550 plus £ 675 shipping to my door which sounds much more honest .

So far 10 hrs later no messages asking me to play outside the safety of AliExpress.

ETA ... 6 April Edited .


The second buggy I ordered to replace the original cancelled order turned out to be exactly the same ......... asking for extra money outside of AliExpress .


Luckily when I got the Ali Express notification of sale notice it contained the rider that " If the seller asks for more money please contact Ali Express " .
judging buy the speed they took up my case they as fed up with such scamming sellers . After a few minutes of them reading my messages they took the case on and cancelled the order and sent the PayPal money back into my PayPal account within 5 min .

They also sent me a link to sellers of such buggies who have sold many of them and have good feed back . This price is a hundred and fifty pounds more but that's not a problem I was expecting to pay more due to increased shipping oil costs ..

What did surprise me is that the final message from AliExpress message was , " Thank you for saying you will be placing an order for the third time , we will monitor your account & we will ensure it is delivered to you at the advertised price ".

 

[Memmeddu]

But if everything is done right and the item doesn't correspond to description they refound you only after a long and time consuming process.
Surely better than Banggood
Not as good as Temu
But AliExpress is the 1st choice anyways
They sell everything and I mean everything

 

[Kayos]

I've only had positive experiences with problems

Camera skin not as advertised, instant refund, no need to return

Item not despatched, even though they still had time, instant refund

Hack rf one, advertised as real, and real price, clearly a poor clone. Refunded when returned but refunded when postage was confirmed

 

[Memmeddu]

Whenever I've needed to return something I've had to pay shipping to send it back
Banggood on the other hand....
Never answered my controversy.
As I paid 250 euro for a PVS 18, ok knowing it's digital but advertised as 1x magnification while arrived 3x magnification, useless for headmount
Useless to be accompany with a red dot

Waste of money, they didn't answer

 

[Dapph2]

But if everything is done right and the item doesn't correspond to description they refound you only after a long and time consuming process.
Surely better than Banggood
Not as good as Temu
But AliExpress is the 1st choice anyways
They sell everything and I mean everything

It didn't take very long at all around 6 minutes . I suspect they use a computer to check your voice patterns for telling lies etc .it works both ways . After finding my account ,checking I was who I claimed to be etc. etc. and locating several different pages it was surprisingly quick .

I wish our Driver Licencing people were like that , it took almost 3 hrs to report I'd had surgery to my shoulder and was told to stop driving until further notice from the Doctor and to inform the Driver licencing people .

 

[Ubique]

Before it was AliExpress, it was alibaba.com - quite fitting really.

I do try not to increase the Chinese balance of trade wherever possible.

 

[Dapph2]

I've only had positive experiences with problems

Camera skin not as advertised, instant refund, no need to return

Item not despatched, even though they still had time, instant refund

Hack rf one, advertised as real, and real price, clearly a poor clone. Refunded when returned but refunded when postage was confirmed

It seems these Chinese Super sales sites have UK return address these days if the returns are likely to be repaired and still have a good value .. no more sending it back to somewhere in China as it was in the early days at the turn of the century .

I had a new keyed chuck several years ago that was so gritty I struggled to get it to open . I contacted TEMU
A new chuck arrive a week later , " Keep the old one " I was told .

A month or so later I set the faulty chuck up in the vice and filled it with WD40 & was able to slowly close the chuck with the key .
A quick turn upside down with it now back in the vice and I part opened it with the chuck key in another drill . A few more squirts of WD40 then the 120 psi air jet into it and out came loads of fine turning crud on to the witness sheet on the floor . After that it worked as good as the new replacement .

 

[Dapph2]

Before it was AliExpress, it was alibaba.com - quite fitting really.

I do try not to increase the Chinese balance of trade wherever possible.

I think you'll find Ali express is the punters purchasing site where as Alibaba is the parent company who trade in lots of hundreds or thousands or even more . I got a lot of my fishing stuff for my internet shop back in 2009 shop from them and also direct from a couple of factories owned by people who I came to think of as my Chinese friends .

 

[Ubique]

Nonetheless, they're easily aligned with the '40 thieves' for all their plagiarising, fraud and outright lies - it's endemic in their mindset, encouraged by their dear leaders who don't give a flying fig for intellectual property, copyright or patents. Wanting to build a new embassy adjacent the fibre lines to the London Global Switch is just coincidence? right.....

 

[Dev]

I’m sure I’ve bought hundreds of things from Aliexpress at this point, over the years. A small number have never arrived, been broken or not as describes. I’ve never lost out, Aliexpress have always refunded me or the seller has sent replacements.

Which is more than I can say for some UK/EU companies. TBH I’d rather give my money to some random factory in China than Jeff Bezos.

 

[Dev]

Nonetheless, they're easily aligned with the '40 thieves' for all their plagiarising, fraud and outright lies - it's endemic in their mindset, encouraged by their dear leaders who don't give a flying fig for intellectual property, copyright or patents. Wanting to build a new embassy adjacent the fibre lines to the London Global Switch is just coincidence? right.....

So you don’t buy clothes from all of the high street stores from Next to Tesco that copy haute couture designers right?

Plenty of places everywhere knock off known brands. Market stalls are full of them. Who are Hikvision, DJI, Huawei, Bambu plagerisaing?

 

[Dapph2]

Nonetheless, they're easily aligned with the '40 thieves' for all their plagiarising, fraud and outright lies - it's endemic in their mindset, encouraged by their dear leaders who don't give a flying fig for intellectual property, copyright or patents. Wanting to build a new embassy adjacent the fibre lines to the London Global Switch is just coincidence? right.....

Let them build and put a 20m wide by 200m deep tunnel just a few feet below the road & pavement surfaces all around it , filled daily with the best that London's sewers can offer .

Meanwhile re route the fibres on secondary & third plan X & Y routes , there is plenty of redundant copper ducts in the ground in the area that can be cleared of valuable untainted by radiation copper then stuffed with fibre optics .

 

[Ubique]

The old 'it's endemic so it's OK' argument.
The Chinese tend to bid low on manufacturing for tier 1 brands, purely so they can copy the tech. and sell 'as their own' under other names.
I don't think it's OK that consumers support blatant theft 'because it's cheaper', of course, we're being driven to have little or no disposable income so there will be no choice other than support the global sweatshop ' because it's cheaper affordable'

 

[Ubique]

Let them build and put a 20.m wide 90 mdeep tunnel round it full of the best London's sewers can offer .

Meanwhile re route the fibres on secondary & third plan routes there is plenty of redundant copper ducts in the ground in the area that can be cleared of valuable untainted by radiation copper then stuffed with fibre optic .

Or just save the money and tell them to 'do one'?

 

[Dapph2]

Or just save the money and tell them to 'do one'?

Best not apply to become a diplomat Huh?

 

[Ubique]

Bit late for that - but I have walked some of the tunnels under Londonistan - not the ones with trains (or Chinese) in!