water cooling what torch

[namerif]

i want to use a water cooled tig torch on my cebora 1665 dc hf iverter set what torch do i need & what parts to convert onto the welding set

 

[weldequip]

It's only a 160amp machine that, what do you want water cooling for?

 

[HughF]

Wp20 and a cooler...

 

[Richard.]

It's only a 160amp machine that, what do you want water cooling for?

Just because it's low amps doesn't mean there are not advantages to water cooling. A wp9 Tig torch is the nicest to manage yet limited to 120 amps. Everything about water cooling is nicer regardless of the current you use. Torches and consumable parts last longer, shrouds cool much quicker and a wp20 Tig torch is way nicer to flick about than a 17

 

[Brad93]

WP20 is the type you want. Abicor Binzel, Parweld, CK, Weldcraft all good reliable torches. You will need to buy a water cooler, many brands available.

 

[doubleboost]

This may help

 

[Piero]

A much cheaper option is a wp17 air cooled with the stubby gas lens kit.

Your dc only.

No water cooler noise. Only one hose to the torch.
Practicality the same size torch with the stubby kit.

It's fast becoming my go to torch for said reasons.

Don't forget the the cost if something goes pop. Be it the torch or the cooler.

I have a lorch t220 with cooler.

Most of my welds are stop start. For me it's a wp17 air cooled with a stubby gas kit

 

[weldequip]

Just because it's low amps doesn't mean there are not advantages to water cooling. A wp9 Tig torch is the nicest to manage yet limited to 120 amps. Everything about water cooling is nicer regardless of the current you use. Torches and consumable parts last longer, shrouds cool much quicker and a wp20 Tig torch is way nicer to flick about than a 17

I asked because if he's cooking the torch on a 160amp machine chances are he's using it at full tilt. Adding W/C will stop him cooking his torch but won't stop him using the machine at full tilt. Not good for the machine. Adding a cooler + torch is about the same total value of that machine, so he might want to look at replacing the lot with a larger set. All depends what he's using it for really, more info needed.

 

[HughF]

Cooler can be nothing more than a pump and a tank... Or if you are on water rates just run it off the tap even if you're on a meter, probably cheaper than buying a cooler...

 

[Richard.]

Cooler can be nothing more than a pump and a tank... Or if you are on water rates just run it off the tap even if you're on a meter, probably cheaper than buying a cooler...

I like half of that. I would never encourage a total loss system. Cost isn't the issue its just wasteful. Your right though a pump and a big bucket with a bit of piping and your away. Cheap cooler.

 

[HughF]

My Christmas tree set just had a pump, a gallon bucket and an economiser you hook the torch onto for the gas flow... The economiser also has water ports in it for when they were designed to run off the mains water.

 

[Richard.]

They only get expensive and a little complicated when you try to build them to a compact size. Making a compact cooler with low volume tank capacity means installing a heat exchanger and cooling fan on the return. If it's just to get a cheap route to water cooling I'd fill a big bucket with water and bolt a caravan pump to the lid. Two lines out the top job done.

 

[Jim Davey]

I'd be tempted to go down the WP17 route myself if it's just an occasional use machine. But if it's running for long periods at 100+ amps then a cheap cooler setup is worth looking at.
However at Steve says the next weak link will be the set, Cebora never were famous for high duty cycles so you may find you don't spend any longer welding even if you do go water cooled. What sort of jobs are you tackling?

 

[Paul G]

For a heat exchanger go on eBay and search "heater matrix".

Hundreds on there around the £15 mark, even brand new. Careful patient bidding will get a bargain.


The one in my cooler was a tenner, brand new from an auto jumble.

As for a small tank, if you own a TIG set and can't knock one up you should be put against a wall and shot.
Failing that, get yourself an invite to a girlie party. I refer of course to Tupperwear.

Paul G

 

[daleyd]

As for a small tank, if you own a TIG set and can't knock one up you should be put against a wall and shot.

I struggle to not get my tungsten stuck putting a bead on a flat plate- pass me the blindfold

 

[Richard.]

I struggle to not get my tungsten stuck putting a bead on a flat plate- pass me the blindfold

Paul never mentioned blindfold. Just shot.

 

[eSCHEn]

As for a small tank, if you own a TIG set and can't knock one up you should be put against a wall and shot.

Seriously Paul, wrong vocation mate. I'm putting you in for laureate if you keep this up ^_^

 

[daleyd]

Paul never mentioned blindfold. Just shot.

It was only to cover my shame from the state of my tig welding...

 

[Richard.]

It was only to cover my shame from the state of my tig welding...

No need to be ashamed. You should see me with electrics. Red to red black to black and if I'm feeling lucky I might have a go with a green. We all have our strengths.

 

[daleyd]

Red to red black to black

Blue to pieces !!