Desktop pc upgrade

[Rannsachair]

The windows 11 thread and constant unsupported messages from windows upgrade have me thinking:

I bought a desktop pc from box in 2018, the spec is:
Stormforce Inferno Desktop Gaming PC, AMD Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz processor, 16GB Hyper X Fury DDR4 2400MHz RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB, 512GB SSD + 3TB WD hard drive, Microsoft Windows 10, 1300Mbps AC WiFi, it has never had a problem. I realise it will be quite dates 7 years on.

I use it for occasional Turbocad, Word, Excel and internet. I also occasionally play games on it: Skyrim, fallout, half life and similar. The grand daughter also plays games on it ( she is 13 shortly).

So what are my options:

1. Get an antivirus software subscription?
2. Install windows 11 using one of the bypass methods if I can figure it out? I used to be good with DOS or Windows 3.1, after XP i never took an interest.
3. Upgrade the processor?
4. Upgrade the motherboard and processor etc.
5. Just buy a new PC

I used to assemble and upgrade my own pc's from the late 80's through to the early 2000's. though only upgraded hard drives and added memory since then.

What do folk think is the sensible option? bar I should have waited until 2019 for my last upgrade?

Thanks

 

[Domdom]

That ought to take Win-11. The CPU certainly qualifies, just not sure if the main board has the TPM 2.0 chip.

If not, replace the board and CPU.

 

[skotl]

That ought to take Win-11. The CPU certainly qualifies, just not sure if the main board has the TPM 2.0 chip.

If not, replace the board and CPU.

Agree

 

[roofman]

turn off updates and notifications, i have 11 on my desk top and its still chuffing away on just browsing without any problems.

 

[Rannsachair]

That ought to take Win-11. The CPU certainly qualifies, just not sure if the main board has the TPM 2.0 chip.

If not, replace the board and CPU.

PC Health check brings up:

Everything else seems ok:

Does that mean just the cpu is the issue? Can I just change it and a new cooler?

 

[Kayos]

I force installed on my Xeon with a chinesium motherboard, no tpm and not supported CPU

Runs very stable

 

[Jackimus]

PC Health check brings up:
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Everything else seems ok:
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Does that mean just the cpu is the issue? Can I just change it and a new cooler?

Pretty much all AM4 CPUs except for your 1000 series and the older Athlons are compatible with Windows 11. Get a 2, 3 or 5000 series and you'll be good to go.

A new cooler might not be necessary - just some rubbing alcohol and fresh paste then back onto the new CPU. What cooler are you currently using?

 

[Rannsachair]

Pretty much all AM4 CPUs except for your 1000 series and the older Athlons are compatible with Windows 11. Get a 2, 3 or 5000 series and you'll be good to go.

A new cooler might not be necessary - just some rubbing alcohol and fresh paste then back onto the new CPU. What cooler are you currently using?

Not sure what it is:

So something from here should do? https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...wDjND8vs_k26-429hCfT5NCTZxUWL0JxoCfCAQAvD_BwE

 

[Jackimus]

Not sure what it is:
View attachment 512391

So something from here should do? https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...wDjND8vs_k26-429hCfT5NCTZxUWL0JxoCfCAQAvD_BwE

R.E. the CPUs linked:

Windows processor requirements Windows 11 supported AMD processors

This specification details the AMD processors that can be used with Windows 11 customer systems that include Windows products, including custom images.

learn.microsoft.com

R.E. the cooler, that's the stock one that will have come with that CPU. Ticks the box of 'yes, there is a cooler installed' but doesn't do a whole lot more.

If you're happy with the performance you're currently getting, no reason to replace it and no reason why it wouldn't fit on another AM4 CPU - put some gentle heat on it or run the computer for 15 minutes to liquefy the thermal paste, remove, clean up, apply new paste, stick on the new CPU.

If you have any interest in improving performance, now is a good time to upgrade the cooler, while you're taking everything out anyway! Thermal throttling is the arch enemy of performance - a more effective cooling solution means the CPU can run harder and/or longer.

I have and love the Noctua NH-U12A - their genius fan design gets 140mm cooling performance out of a 'compact' (heavy air quotes) 120mm cooler. However, the Thermalright Peerless Assassin only trails it by a few degrees and costs about a fifth of what the Noctua does.

If in doubt, don't think about it, just buy a Peerless Assassin.

 

[northwest]

1. Get an antivirus software subscription?

No, not in a million years. Norton Antivirus IS the virus in my opinion.
Along with the rest of them.

 

[gaz1]

whats your mainboard code as thats the most important to what you can upgrade too

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz processor, 16GB Hyper X Fury DDR4 2400MHz RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB, 512GB SSD + 3TB WD hard drive, Microsoft Windows 10, 1300Mbps AC WiFi

i can see its asus mainboard but thats it but its close to asus prime mainboard which is also ddr5 not ddr4

the wd i would unplug and use it as back up when needed as thats is a bottle neck you dont need only for storage

i like the hotswap plugin dock bays for when you need to plug in a hard drive and unplug them as well with the hotswap function

replace the it with another nvme card as well 1tb there only 61-72.00 for them

your only using it for gaming not video so even a nvme upgrade would be better

whilst that large hard drive is being plugged in its also dieing while not being used as its still powered up

 

[Rannsachair]

R.E. the CPUs linked:

Windows processor requirements Windows 11 supported AMD processors

This specification details the AMD processors that can be used with Windows 11 customer systems that include Windows products, including custom images.

learn.microsoft.com

R.E. the cooler, that's the stock one that will have come with that CPU. Ticks the box of 'yes, there is a cooler installed' but doesn't do a whole lot more.

If you're happy with the performance you're currently getting, no reason to replace it and no reason why it wouldn't fit on another AM4 CPU - put some gentle heat on it or run the computer for 15 minutes to liquefy the thermal paste, remove, clean up, apply new paste, stick on the new CPU.

If you have any interest in improving performance, now is a good time to upgrade the cooler, while you're taking everything out anyway! Thermal throttling is the arch enemy of performance - a more effective cooling solution means the CPU can run harder and/or longer.

I have and love the Noctua NH-U12A - their genius fan design gets 140mm cooling performance out of a 'compact' (heavy air quotes) 120mm cooler. However, the Thermalright Peerless Assassin only trails it by a few degrees and costs about a fifth of what the Noctua does.

If in doubt, don't think about it, just buy a Peerless Assassin.

Thanks, is worth paying a bit for a higher spec AM4 chip like a amd ryzen 7 5800 x 3 d?

whats your mainboard code as thats the most important to what you can upgrade too

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz processor, 16GB Hyper X Fury DDR4 2400MHz RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB, 512GB SSD + 3TB WD hard drive, Microsoft Windows 10, 1300Mbps AC WiFi

i can see its asus mainboard but thats it but its close to asus prime mainboard which is also ddr5 not ddr4

the wd i would unplug and use it as back up when needed as thats is a bottle neck you dont need only for storage

i like the hotswap plugin dock bays for when you need to plug in a hard drive and unplug them as well with the hotswap function

replace the it with another nvme card as well 1tb there only 61-72.00 for them

your only using it for gaming not video so even a nvme upgrade would be better

whilst that large hard drive is being plugged in its also dieing while not being used as its still powered up

Asus Prime X370 Pro motherboard

this is becoming a rabbit hole

 

[Jackimus]

Thanks, is worth paying a bit for a higher spec AM4 chip like a amd ryzen 7 5800 x 3 d?

Asus Prime X370 Pro motherboard

this is becoming a rabbit hole

It really just depends on what you want to do with your machine and how well you want it to do those things.

The 5800x3d is a pretty legendary chip and I would never tell somebody NOT to buy one. You will notice a difference in your CAD and your games, especially CPU intensive games. The 5800x3d won't break a sweat running the games you've mentioned with everything cranked to 11.

The 'gimmick' of that CPU (and all 3D designated CPUs) is a uniquely large L3 cache - games in particular take advantage of this, but so will all 3D applications to different extents. If you don't need that gimmick specifically, you could save a little by getting whichever non-3D chip is below it.

You may well find that your CPU has been bottlenecking your GPU this whole time - the 1080 is also pretty legendary. Nvidia made it way too good, and boy have they learnt from that mistake - as 1080s are still trading blows to this day and owners have felt no need to upgrade!

 

[skotl]

Thanks, is worth paying a bit for a higher spec AM4 chip like a amd ryzen 7 5800 x 3 d?

Asus Prime X370 Pro motherboard

this is becoming a rabbit hole

First off, you can probably force win 11 to install using the (supported) tricks on the interweb.

But if you want a little more performance then yes - any current gen AMD Ryzen processor will slot right in (look for “AM4” compatibility).

Every CPU comes with a cooler so you don’t need to worry about keeping the existing one.

On price / performance you’ll tell a difference so it’s just down to how much you want to pay.

A quick glance at Amazon will get you a ryzen 5 for £55. Going to eBay and taking a chance will get you a used 7 for less.

If it was me and I was happy with the current performance I’d hack Win 11 into the existing system.

 

[gaz1]

your boards manual

https://dlcdnta.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/PRIME_X370-PRO/E12344_PRIME_X370-PRO_web_only_20170712.pdf?model=PRIME%20X370-PRO&Signature=2vYwIff8Y4L3NxK7vyMX7Wc3ZgrNILQaOVBovgl1ETVV0A3ogZS~s7j5rszfvxkuWsm9bVPre9nJECWqRzekmM3iJJc0xJiOhfcL4IxAPUNAnFHLHCH2XUryWTJ9Gl-OskibaES~yPQv-rioe~3VNXVsuC5gJZgNQ07tALWa2VUkFmtCoIh-hVd1nPNKGhGt627FmUqZN6aYLgUYWMXOG9UHBmburHBCh4e6vUIix5QsfshAclNqktC5Y9M94Qvc9avp5SwwKnJjkIv-X1E4UYV1zXCxUrETMTZWZFJFGfiCc7-eW7e-cX9i22kGg2Y1NNTSp5gtAagMpNb0zR8Ahg__&Expires=1757702003&Key-Pair-Id=K2ITB7O97XKKCX

for yo7ur cpu

PRIME X370-PRO - Support

www.asus.com

you can update it but you wont beable to do after that really theres no point in doing so stay with windows 10 upgrade the cpu if you want or wait a little longer and upgrade it when its cheaper

your pc is fast enough to run 11 but windows wants you to buy all new for its junk to run on it otherwise your not supported otherwise its go onto another operating system which is the way ive decided myself

you can stick with windows 10 for a year keep the machine and take it offline to use or use until it wont update on firefox or other installed stuff you will be fine to use the machine until then

to be honest im still using windows 7 and i will be until march next year as everything will still work until then for me as a net pc and thats it

games should still work until windows fully ends its support for that windows 10 os

prices are still too sky high on parts due to covid but everyone expects everyone to buy new with inflated prices they still havent come down in 3 years after the uks covid and it flying through usa

just for windows 11 crap

 

[gaz1]

the thing with games if you own them you could still play them on the machine your using now (xp win7 or wind 10 )

but as you dont own them you can never update them when support runs out on them or you need to reconnect to the server like with steam otherwise you could run in offline mode forever

however you need to reconect with the server otherwise the game blocks you from playing it as it cannot upgrade its offline mode as your no longer supported

unless you buy another machine and use that instead ( thats steam for you or any other games site out there )

now you see why i wont buy online games as you dont own them and you cant play them offline if they have a call home feature

 

[skotl]

the thing with games if you own them you could still play them on the machine your using now (xp win7 or wind 10 )

but as you dont own them you can never update them when support runs out on them or you need to reconnect to the server like with steam otherwise you could run in offline mode forever

however you need to reconect with the server otherwise the game blocks you from playing it as it cannot upgrade its offline mode as your no longer supported

unless you buy another machine and use that instead ( thats steam for you or any other games site out there )

now you see why i wont buy online games as you dont own them and you cant play them offline if they have a call home feature

Not really relevant to the original question though.

 

[Jackimus]

First off, you can probably force win 11 to install using the (supported) tricks on the interweb.

But if you want a little more performance then yes - any current gen AMD Ryzen processor will slot right in (look for “AM4” compatibility).

Every CPU comes with a cooler so you don’t need to worry about keeping the existing one.

On price / performance you’ll tell a difference so it’s just down to how much you want to pay.

A quick glance at Amazon will get you a ryzen 5 for £55. Going to eBay and taking a chance will get you a used 7 for less.

If it was me and I was happy with the current performance I’d hack Win 11 into the existing system.

I didn't get a cooler with my 7700x! No fair!

(But Amazon did refund the entire import duty deposit, so )

 

[gaz1]

its these hot swap bays i like fits in the dvd drive bay

hot swap allows you to take out the drive even while its powered up but hotswap shuts the usage down ready to unplug the drive

Pardon our interruption...

Not really relevant to the original question though.

its relevant if he dosnt want to upgrade he will be supported for long enough on windows 10 but when support stops for that those games via steam they will become unplayable unless people buy new or change to another operating system on the same machine

 

[m_c]

I didn't get a cooler with my 7700x! No fair!

(But Amazon did refund the entire import duty deposit, so )

IIRC it's only the lower end CPUs that come with coolers, as I'm guessing anybody buying a higher end CPU will likely be wanting their own cooler anyway.

I've still got the AMD supplied air cooler on my 3600, although I do have an AIO water cooler for when I can be bothered to upgrade.