just been for a quick look at a new mig its a classic mig used to be Eland looks to be a very sturdy machine thereare two the 160 and the 200 did'nt like the swp torch that comes with the machine the 160 was just over £500 + vat cant remember what the 200 was.are there any better machines for the same sort of money spec wise i mean and what torch would you upgrade to ? just want the best setup i can get for my hard earned plus i have a good set to trade in as well your thoughts please