Why are Lincoln so expensive???

  1. TurtleDude

    TurtleDude Member

    Messages:
    422
    Location:
    Worcestershire UK
    Just looked at a Lincoln Invertec 160SX.

    Yes it’s Lincoln branded, yes it’s multi voltage and yes it’s red.

    But £1300 for a stick welder?? :dontknow: Where does the money go?
     
    Memmeddu and fizzy like this.
  2. Munkul Member

    Messages:
    871
    Cumbria, UK
    It's all in the particular shade of red metal paint that they use on their cases.
     
    Memmeddu, skotl, fizzy and 4 others like this.
  3. Gareth0123

    Gareth0123 You'll need 16 pigs to do the job in one sitting!

    Messages:
    1,355
    Location:
    Norwich, Norfolk, UK

    Bubbly at the shareholders meeting!
     
    Questions, stuvy, fizzy and 1 other person like this.
  4. TurtleDude

    TurtleDude Member

    Messages:
    422
    Location:
    Worcestershire UK
    That makes me chuckle.

    Seriously though, I’ve looked at the specs and I just don’t get it :dontknow:

    What is so great about the 160SX that it costs double what a decent MMA machine would from say EWM/Kemppi?
     
    Memmeddu, ronan and fizzy like this.
  5. Fraserb

    Fraserb Member

    Messages:
    17
    Location:
    Scottish Borders
    Basically because they can get away with it.

    Completely unrelated but a few years ago we needed a new part for our Mower, In John Deere green it was £800 identical part in standard red from online retailer £110 delivered.
     
    Memmeddu, ronan, skotl and 6 others like this.
  6. TurtleDude

    TurtleDude Member

    Messages:
    422
    Location:
    Worcestershire UK
    So I’m not missing the point? It is just a big marketing scam after all?

    I saw a Hobart Stickmate 160i review on ChuckE2009’s YouTube channel and he said it was a load of Chinese carp in a case with a well respected name.

    I don’t want to be duped by the Audi badge on a Seat.
     
    Memmeddu, ronan and fizzy like this.
  7. Fraserb

    Fraserb Member

    Messages:
    17
    Location:
    Scottish Borders
    I don't actually know about Lincoln in particular but when we needed a new welder at work a few years ago we spoke to local welding specialist he recommended one, Ive actually forgotten which make ( Its Red)but it was a long way from top price, he reckoned anything more expensive we were paying for the name. The fact we were buying from him and he'd be dealing with any problems we had we went with it, it puts approx 10-12 15kg spools through a year and never been any issues.
     
    fizzy likes this.
  8. TechnicAl

    TechnicAl Member

    Messages:
    6,727
    Location:
    Rotherham
    I assume thats the list price. Dealers will get 60% discount and may pass on between 20% and 40%. Lincoln tend to work through Dealers and they have to keep them happy by publishing inflated list prices, to be honest Esab and most of the others do the same.
     
    Memmeddu, Brad93, eLuSiVeMiTe and 2 others like this.
  9. TechnicAl

    TechnicAl Member

    Messages:
    6,727
    Location:
    Rotherham
  10. Munkul Member

    Messages:
    871
    Cumbria, UK
    Lincoln by and large make good machines, but they've traded on their longstanding name in the UK for overpriced mediocre performance, especially their powertec MIG range (essentially Polish Bester machines completely different to the ranges available in the US!). I say that knowing that we have two Lincoln Bester machines in our workshop... They're good, but they're no better than any other transformer MIG. The inverter Speedtec range - not sure where they are made, they are very nicely built and give a great MIG arc, but again, nothing outstanding for the pricepoint.

    Some of the machines they make are bang on the money - i.e. the new Aspect TIG range which is really very good, directly competing with Miller Dynasty unlike the older Invertec series, and priced really well.

    You could say the same about Kemppi and Esab - some of their machines are ridiculously overpriced for their performance, and some are really good value.
     
    Memmeddu, eLuSiVeMiTe and TurtleDude like this.
  11. Munkul Member

    Messages:
    871
    Cumbria, UK
    In Lincoln's case (at least with these inverter MMA sets) they're an audi with an audi badge, with Bentley pricing.
     
  12. TurtleDude

    TurtleDude Member

    Messages:
    422
    Location:
    Worcestershire UK
    Sounds like an honest bloke. Many like to keep the illusion alive and feed off people’s aspirations.

    With the VAT it’s still £1183.20. That’s a phenomenal amount for something to burn welding rods.


    A great insight there, thanks.

    Lol, nicely put Munkul. :p
     
    Memmeddu likes this.
  13. TechnicAl

    TechnicAl Member

    Messages:
    6,727
    Location:
    Rotherham
    Talk to Rapid you might get a bit more off...I dont know....its 10 years since I was with Lincoln and times change
     
  14. gordon stephenson

    gordon stephenson Forum Supporter

    Messages:
    6,436
    Location:
    Skelton in Cleveland U.K.
    I have had good price negotiated with Wellington welding in the past, Now I'm an EWM man.
     
  15. TurtleDude

    TurtleDude Member

    Messages:
    422
    Location:
    Worcestershire UK
    Which EWM have you got?
     
  16. Richard.

    Richard. Member

    Messages:
    18,137
    Location:
    Cambridgeshire
    Alot of welding distributors playing a fair game do not put their best prices on line.
    Quite often it could be list prices. pick up the phone, walk in the shop. if you want to tick boxes pay list prices.
     
  17. Parm

    Parm I have fun doing stuff

    Messages:
    9,561
    Location:
    Towcester
    Could it be down to the R&D they have done to develop a product? Or the quality of components they use? Or the warranty they offer? Or perhaps the after sales customer care? Or something else?

    I don’t know, just trying to be objective

    It’s a bit like saying why one brand of car is more expensive than another comparable brand
     
  18. TurtleDude

    TurtleDude Member

    Messages:
    422
    Location:
    Worcestershire UK
    Not really, as when one compares actual data, specifications and in particular ‘duty cycles’ the Lincoln MMA machine offers nothing and often less than its rivals costing 1/4 of the price.

    If there is some amazing R&D budget and they have re-invented the wheel, they sure keep their findings a secret, as the marketing literature and spec sheets show it to be rather ordinary.

    As of after sales and customer care. If the product costs double the price of well reputed market leaders i.e Lorch, EWM, and Kemppi, why would you need such fantastic backup? It should be bulletproof. After all, are the brands above notorious for their shoddy and backhanded aftercare?

    I don’t know, just being objective :dontknow:
     
  19. Parm

    Parm I have fun doing stuff

    Messages:
    9,561
    Location:
    Towcester
    Perhaps your missing the point.

    Company A spends lots of money to develop a product. Then once the patent expires Companies A B C D etc copy the original product and sell it cheaper.

    Could this be the case here?
     
    Memmeddu likes this.
  20. TechnicAl

    TechnicAl Member

    Messages:
    6,727
    Location:
    Rotherham
    As I said earlier the most likely reason is that he hasnt been quoted the best price. Usually there isnt much difference in prices between the major players. Its often down to how badly they want the order. The likes of Kemppi, EWM, Lorch and Fronius are usually more expensive.
     
    Parm likes this.
Advertisements