Which gas/ deal?

  1. dkw1972 Member

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    So now i’m a mig owner again it’s time to sort out some gas. The last time I was welding I bought pub gas and spent a lot of time cleaning spatter so now I want to use argon mix.

    From what I have read Argoshield light is for up to 4mm but how far can you push that? As sometimes I will want to weld say 8mm.

    I have been looking at prices and spoke to York factors who quoted a 20l bottle for £207.22 of which £102 is a refundable deposit but they don’t offer a monthly rental option.

    I think the BOC Volkzone/Hobby deal is ideal for me but I can’t find any mention of it on their website and their price quoted for a Y size are much higher than I have seen people from here say they are paying so is it only available over the phone?
     
  2. rcx132

    rcx132 Philip

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    Last time I checked SGS still worked out cheapest for low volume use.
     
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  3. optima21 Forum Supporter

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    if you're only doing 8mm occasionally and still have a rent free CO2 cylinder, use that for the thicker metal as it gives a hotter weld (or so Ive read). 8mm does sound to be pushing it for normal domestic machines though.
     
  4. dkw1972 Member

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    I think that’s who the York motor factors gas is from
     
  5. Hopefuldave Intergalactic pot-mender

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    If you're using more than a size Y a year the BOC hobby deal works out a bit cheaper, I am cos I'm wasting a lot of gas learning...

    Dave H. (the other one)
     
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  6. dkw1972 Member

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    Do you know if you can only get the deal over the phone?
     
  7. T0rnado69

    T0rnado69 DIY nut !!

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    i use the universal, as now and then il be doing a bit of 6mm or 8mm
    i signed up online. had my account sorted and was down the local depot the same day to get my gas.
    very easy to do.
    this was july last year.
    year rental and gas fill was £100.20
     
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  8. Hopefuldave Intergalactic pot-mender

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    As above, I did it online, went and picked up the next morning

    Dave H. (the other one)
     
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  9. dkw1972 Member

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    How thin have you managed to weld with the universal?
     
  10. T0rnado69

    T0rnado69 DIY nut !!

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    with thin stuff.
    2mm i normally do like 1/2" tack and move to another point
    to try to keep distortion to a minimum.
    dont really deal with much below 2mm.

    but if i do then i do same as above just shorter tacks.
    keeping the power at a level that doesn't blow holes and welds fine.

    i never tried light or heavy.

    went straight to universal back when i got my first mig, was what a neighbour was using and recommended.

    then i went to rent free for a while, but found their argon mix didn't have the 2% oxygen in the mix.

    which made for higher welds, decided to go back to BOC and swapped my rent free for pure argon for the tig.
     
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  11. Agautosport Member

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    Remember the final price for our gas and deposits rests with the distributor so it may be worth phoning round to see who does the best deal for our SGS Gases gas.
    Also remember you can get a £20.00 cashback from us on your first purchase of a 20 litre cylinder for being a forum member.

    Alan
    SGS Gases Ltd
     
  12. Tony Brazier New Member

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    Just brought a 20 litre cylinder from my local motor factors and interested in the £20.00 cashback.

    Cheers Tony
     
  13. Wozza317

    Wozza317 Member

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    I have been looking at SGS and Hobbyweld gases. I see that hobbyweld has 2% Oxygen in the mix is that better for me or not? (brand new at welding)
     
  14. 123hotchef Member

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    what are you welding?
     
  15. Wozza317

    Wozza317 Member

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    Initially mild steel up to about 7mm however the machine is a multi process and I will later down the line be playing with TIG too (but that will be some time off) need to master the Mig first.
     
  16. 123hotchef Member

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    what machine do you have? CO2 / ARGON MIX will be fine for mig but you will need a bottle of pure Argon for TIG
     
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  17. Wozza317

    Wozza317 Member

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    Its an Rtech 3 -In-1 MIG Welder Inverter With MMA & DC Tig 240V 250A.
    I guess for a beginner it is a bit over the top but I wanted to future proof myself by getting the right machine and not having to buy another as time progresses and my skills improve (hopefully)

    Yes I was aware about the argon but wont need that initially
     
  18. 123hotchef Member

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    not over the top at all mate, you get which machine you feel will serve you best.

    for steel just grab the argo shield light
     
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  19. Wozza317

    Wozza317 Member

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    Thanks mate, is the argo shield light from BOC?
     
  20. 123hotchef Member

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    I get mine from SGS because I dont use much and I did not want to rent the bottle. is it the 250Amp machine you are going for
     
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