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I love old school technology, because I can work with it, and fix almost anything myself. Self reliance. 
Lewis_RX8
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Yes but not making the orginal company any money , Now take your new car to the dealership to bleed breaks as they won't work again after bleeding without the right computerI love old school technology, because I can work with it, and fix almost anything myself. Self reliance.
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you used to think working on ford escorts was hard work but a walk in the park compared to modern vehicles
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Modern day life, but with the same old saying ............. " I owe my soul to the company store. "Yes but not making the orginal company any money , Now take your new car to the dealership to bleed breaks as they won't work again after bleeding without the right computer
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The laugh is for the 'computer' bit, you have to tell Audi's they've had brake fluid change otherwise they complain bitterly....Yes but not making the orginal company any money , Now take your new car to the dealership to bleed breaks as they won't work again after bleeding without the right computer
Lewis_RX8
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Yea ,, I've heard that's why I posted it not an exaggeration unfortunately lol.
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TBH, there's all sorts of myths around - like the EML will come on if you go xxx miles over the service interval, well, maybe it will - but it's not forced on by lack of service, it's down to a fault on the vehicle - usually DPF related. I enjoy my job but so much of it is spent countering things people have 'read on the internet' and decided it applies to their vehicle, I generally don't have to talk to the drivers directly but I choose to as it's often the best and quickest way to get them to meet with sense/reality and dispel the preconceptions they come in with. Merc. have a lot of problems with NOx sensors, which puts the EML on, and are doing most repairs as 'goodwill' even many years out of warranty, so of course all causes of EML illumination are automatically NOx sensor related in the drivers eyes.... when it isn't - and it's chargeable, can be a big hurdle to get over, especially when the internet doesn't give them the answer they want!
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Not a myth regarding our 2001 Honda Civic which I bought new. We were in a road trip, and while out in the middle of nowhere the engine maintenance light came on; so I said a couple of foul words and immediately pulled over to the side of the road. Just before the trip I serviced the car so was quite concerned. Then my Wife pointed to the odometer, which read "exactly" ten thousand miles.
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Maintenance lights and warnings are a bit different to EML - EML is generally related to anything that causes a change in the emissions of an engine... It's practically the same symbol on every vehicle from a Fiat 500 to a Bentley Continental.
It should have zero to do with service intervals.
Having said that, some cars have horrific systems for resetting the service lights/warnings - my old Alfa 159, I tried myself with an Autel and a Launch tool, no joy, took it to autosparks, they tried with their array of Snapon, autel and other service tools, no joy, it had to go to main delaership, to knock a poxy 18k oil service light off!
It should have zero to do with service intervals.
Having said that, some cars have horrific systems for resetting the service lights/warnings - my old Alfa 159, I tried myself with an Autel and a Launch tool, no joy, took it to autosparks, they tried with their array of Snapon, autel and other service tools, no joy, it had to go to main delaership, to knock a poxy 18k oil service light off!
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Thanks for the update on the abbreviated EML translation here. Different to what it referred to overseas.
My vivaro puts on the EML, Service (spanner) and glow plug lights as soon as you go through the service interval.
I guess the ECU sees it as oil out of parameters as it also triggers a oil contamination (or similar) code.
Guess it's all part of the manufacturers trying to stop people playing with things or fixing their own vehicles.
mines had the spanner showing for ages, maybe 5000k, did the last oil / diesel filter changes myself Don't have the right tool to reset the spanners, presume needs the diagnostic tools from peugeot. I tried with my generic OBD2 one, didn't reset, so just ignore it...
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Yes, sorry, EML over here means specifically engine management lightThanks for the update on the abbreviated EML translation here. Different to what it referred to overseas.
maintenance lights vary from car to car but usually a spanner.The annoying one on some newer diesels is the glowplug light, this generally means something expensive that isn't actually related to the glowplugs at all
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May be worth googling "service reset on XXXX" Mrs Robo had a Peugeot with the spanner symbol on the dash, found a Youtube video on which buttons to press in a certain sequence to reset it
May be worth googling "service reset on XXXX" Mrs Robo had a Peugeot with the spanner symbol on the dash, found a Youtube video on which buttons to press in a certain sequence to reset it
nice one, just did that, and no more spanner..... that'll do... cheers @Robotstar5
probably over thought it, thinking it's a hassle, can't be bothered I'll just leave it, but there you go... only took seconds too.
Exactly. Everything was rebuildable and didn't get thrown away for need of an overhaul. I blame 'sealed for life' which whilst of benefit in some instances just made things unrepairable. With the realisation that we are messing-up the world, perhaps repairable will be the new 'norm' (and without a workshop full of specialist tools).
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The new norm ? I seriously doubt it, as you have to follow the money trail. It's kind of like the mantra of the pharmaceutical industry........ There is no profit in a cure, only in repeat business.
I blame the customer - they won't buy stuff designed for maintenance as it costs more than stuff designed as sealed for life to last the warranty period then fail and be thrown away.
I blame them a second time too, because even when you design for maintenance, and give them a maintenance programme, with all the part numbers they need to change at various thousands of hours use, they more often than not don't do it - meaning components are completely knackered, and have ruined other components too, so now requiring even more expense . . . and then complain at the downtime required and the cost involved.
And a third time - given all the above, they then employ some numbskull who can't read an engineering drawing, thinks "maintenance" is cleaning the window in the guard, thinks lubrication means shove the nearest thing to "oil" or "grease" they can find in the maintenance shop in whatever reservoir they think needs it, regardless if it meets the required specification or indeed needs it, and whose idea of fine adjust is to use a smaller hammer than usual . . .
Best place I have seen in this industry was a plant in Brazil - their machines, both from us and our competitors, were running, reliably, way above what either of us claimed in terms of thousands of product per minute - simply due to careful set-up, careful pre-planned maintenance - components pulled before they wore out, swapped with previously rebuilt and adjusted ones to keep the machines running with minimal downtime - then rebuild the components they'd just taken off.
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im sure it says in the car hand book how to reset spanner lightnice one, just did that, and no more spanner..... that'll do... cheers @Robotstar5
probably over thought it, thinking it's a hassle, can't be bothered I'll just leave it, but there you go... only took seconds too.
