The new defender

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    Looks like a disco 3 in a fancy frock.
     
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  2. Spark plug

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    It is a disco 3 in a fancy frock, can’t see anything defender about it.
     
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    Sick of seeing this on facebook. It's from a film set so may not be accurate
     
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  4. stuvy

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    James Bond?

    They debuted the new mondeo in casino royale
     
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  5. daleyd

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    Ummm, not sure what else you were expecting...as nice as it would have been for them to carry on making the old one, it was going to have to end some time. It looks like a modern-ish boxy 4x4, not sure they cold have done much else tbh.
     
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  6. Burdekin

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    I at least know the new defender has independent suspension all round.
     
  7. maz0

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    Land Rover's current designer is making great use of the copy/paste buttons. Everything looks the same, Disco, Evoque, Freelander, Range Rover....they are all coming out the same mould.
     
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  8. Robbie260 Member

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    Yep on air with ingenium engines according to a dealer in elgin they may do a comercial coiler version.
     
  9. Robbie260 Member

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    Must be pretty close as it matches the prototypes with the stripped back camoflage pretty closely that are in all the publicity shots.
     
  10. Spark plug

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    IMO, a defender needs to be a no frills, easy to maintain and repair workhorse that goes just about anywhere you point it with 3.5 ton tied to the back.

    All the electronic gubbins it’s guaranteed to have is just not comparable, you should be able to pull a lever, something underneath goes “clunk” then drive across the worst terrain you can find.
     
  11. Robbie260 Member

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    To be honest i was thinking they would turn it in to a purely pickup based line up to rival the hilux, amarok etc would have made more sense concidering it was supposed to be the cheaper work horse of the brand.
     
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  12. daleyd

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    How many pick up versions did they sell of the old Defender, as opposed to hard top? The pick up market seems pretty saturated so personally I could see why they didn't perhaps consider that a priority, maybe there's a pick up version in the pipeline (I'd be amazed if one wasn't planned).
     
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  13. Robbie260 Member

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    There is one planned to be released in 2021 but there is only a few station wagon types about and they are land cruisers, jimminys and shouguns and you hardly see any on the road where as you see an awful lot of pickups. Thaere aparently are only going to be station wagons and pickups no hard tops or any other body styles. I think they are making a mistake by not releasing the pickup variant first.
     
  14. daleyd

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    I could see both sides of it - they sold relatively few pick up style defenders, but lots of hard top - so do you cater to the people that are wanting the "Traditional" type hard top first first, ie your existing customer base? Or go straight for a pick up version where you historically don't have much of a foothold in the market (And where there's lots of established players already)?

    Another thought - (I don't know as I have nothing to do with car design or manufacture, so it's a complete guess) I imagine it's easier to design a hardtop and convert to a pick up, rather than design a pick up version and put a hard top on later.
     
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  15. eLuSiVeMiTe

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    And the same parts bins probably.
     
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  16. armalites Member

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    Whilst the Defender was/is much loved by the utility companies/farmers etc and is a vital part of LR DNA it didn't have the same profit margin as other models. It's likely a lot of new Defenders will be sold to people who were/are D3/D4 drivers and didn't want to go to a D5. If they don't make it an adaptable platform then they will lose all of the traditional market but I doubt they are massively concerned about that, if they were the new one would have arrived soon after the old one ended.

    Why would they sell £35K utility vehicles when they have people queuing up to buy £50k Evoques and £60K Discoverys

    In the early days it will be a good time to get one because there is a chance you'll get your money back if they can't keep up demand.
     
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  17. daleyd

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    Plus you only have to look at who drives a lot of Amarok type vehicles, loaded with extras and probably knocking on 50K and more new. I doubt many of those will ever see a ploughed field.
     
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    Is this the car made in Eastern Europe...Slovakia or Slovenis is it?
     
  19. daleyd

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    Yeah, new model is going to be manufactured in Slovakia apparently.
     
  20. maz0

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    Farmers round me haven’t been using Defenders for a long time. That romantic notion is long gone. Its Hilux, Isuzu etc now.

    The only people I see driving defenders are posers who want to look country twee and the enthusiasts.
     
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