Snap On 130 Turbo Shroud stuck

  1. mattbearman

    mattbearman Member

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    I recently bought an old Snap On MIG 130 Turbo for just £60, all it needed a new trigger and torch handle to be usable. I also got a new shroud, as the one on the torch was pretty beat up, and slid off quite easily.

    I bought all the parts from WECS, including this shroud - http://www.wecs-ltd.co.uk/index.php...facturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

    But when I tried to fit it, it felt really tight and ended up getting stuck. I had to use a hammer and grips to remove the shroud in the end, ruining it in the process. Thankfully the torch escaped unscathed.

    Has anyone else experienced this with this welder or the BOC / Cebora equivalent? I'm new to welding, but the original shroud seemed to be just a push-fit, is that correct? Or did I some how fit it wrong?

    Assuming I didn't do something wrong, I feel like the issue must be with the shroud I bought, as the original one was quite loose. Can anyone recommend any other suppliers? I see Weldequip and Arc-Rite both sell the shrouds, but I don't want to end up getting it stuck again.
     
  2. rtbcomp

    rtbcomp Moderator Staff Member

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    Welcome to the forum.

    I'm not familiar with this particular torch, but shrouds are usually held in place by a coil spring and you need to twist and pull the shroud to remove it. If you twist the wrong way you tighten the spring against the shroud, twisting the right way relieves the pressure exerted by the spring and the shroud should come off quite easily.
     
  3. GW8IZR

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    hello, welcome to the forum.

    I've bought a great many of those shrouds from lots of places ranging from Machine mart when I'm desperate to local welding supplies all over the place.. all fit fine. Its a consumable and shouldn't be hard to get.

    you are correct its just a push fit onto the spiral spring, is that intact? if the retainer is damaged maybe it would jam the shroud.

    A picture might be worth posting to see if there is any obvious issue.

    I bought my cebora about twenty years ago and whilst I've had to straighten it and fix the torch a few times it still works a treat.

    HTH
     
  4. mattbearman

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    Thanks for the quick replies. There is a retaining spring in the shroud, but it felt more like the internal diameter of the new shroud was slightly smaller than torch neck diameter. I'll take some pictures when I get home tonight, I'll also try measuring the ID of the old and new shroud, see if there's a difference.
     
  5. GW8IZR

    GW8IZR Gone.

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    maybe they supplied the wrong shroud, it happens .. if you have a machine mart close by it might be worth getting a pack of tips and shrouds ( you will need them over the yearsd anyway ) and then you have something to compare?
     
  6. GW8IZR

    GW8IZR Gone.

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    If its an original 130 torch as per the link - its just a push on shroud
     
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  7. RonA

    RonA specialist in repairing sealed for life equipment

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    I have the Cebora 130 version & the shroud as you have quite rightly identified is push fit. The shroud is held in place by a metal 'O ring like' Spring clip inside the shroud itself , this locates into a groove cut into the wire feed nozzle to secure it. Sounds like you have the wrong shroud. Have sourced parts in past from BOC but sure their must cheaper.
    RonA
     
  8. mattbearman

    mattbearman Member

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    Definitely the original push fit neck, it's identical to this pic of a snap on 130 neck

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    My torch neck has the same indent where the retaining spring clips in. I think you may be right and they sent me the wrong shroud.

    Nearest machine mart is 2 hours away in Exeter unfortunately, not sure if I've got any good welding suppliers locally, I'll have to check.
     
  9. Parm

    Parm Oh how I’ve missed my play pen this year

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    Where abouts in devon are you? There is a realy good place on an industrial estate in Barnstaple, but I can't remember which one, I think it was in the Rounndswell area
     
  10. GW8IZR

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    a quick google turns up Wellinton weldin supplies Unit 21, Oakwood Close, Brannam Business Park, Roundswell Industrial Estate, Barnstaple EX31 3NJ

    maybe thats the one?

    add the two G's that my keyboard forgot to put in :-)
     
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  11. Parm

    Parm Oh how I’ve missed my play pen this year

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    That's the one, it's quite a large modern outfit with lots of toys. Friendly bunch of people too
     
  12. mattbearman

    mattbearman Member

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    I do in fact live in Barnstaple, that's awesome, I'll check them out.

    Loving this forum already, I suspect I'm gonna learn a lot from you guys :)
     
  13. Jim Davey

    Jim Davey R H Davey Welding Supplies Ltd

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    My Dad's from Bideford, nice part of the world. Hope you get it sorted.
     
  14. HughF

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    I purchased the exact same shroud from wecs for one of the snap-on 130's I refurbished recently. It fitted perfectly. So perhaps your swan neck is damaged?
     
  15. mattbearman

    mattbearman Member

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    So I've just been and measured my torch and the shrouds, and now I'm starting to wonder if either the neck on has been warped, or if it's not the original one. Here's my torch:
    torch.jpg

    The neck diameter is 8.2mm, where as the internal diameter of the new shroud is 8.1mm, hence overly the tight fit. The shroud that came with the welder has an 8.2mm ID, and also looks quite different from replacement shrouds for this torch (original shroud on the right):
    shrouds.jpg

    Any ideas? Also, how tight should the shroud be? I'm guessing it has to be pretty snug so it doesn't leak gas out the back, but at the same time I'm sure I shouldn't need a hammer to take it off again.
     
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2016
  16. RonA

    RonA specialist in repairing sealed for life equipment

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    Hi mattbearman, the shroud on mine slides on quite easily, with a reassuring click as the metal retaining circlip engages & pulls of in the same manner. The shroud on the right ilooks exactly the same as mine on the Cebora 130.
    The neck on yours looks a bit battle scarred perhaps a gentle polish with fine emery might be in order. The neck does however look original to me, identical to my Cebora.
    RonA
     
  17. mattbearman

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    Thanks for the info. All the replacement shrouds I've seen online look more like the one on the left - 55mm long with 2 continuous rings round the base, rather than the 4 indents.

    Do you know of anywhere to get good replacement shrouds?
     
  18. HughF

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    As I said, I got mine from wecs off ebay. Fitted perfectly, tight, but that was good. Very nice quality. I would take a file to your swan neck and use the shroud you got.
     
  19. RonA

    RonA specialist in repairing sealed for life equipment

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    Hi, checked my shroud & its 52 mm long, with a bore of 8 mm. The neck is 7.95 mm.
    BOC used to keep the spares as they sold their own badge engineered version.
    RonA
     
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