New 2018 Jeep Wrangler Chassis and Track Bar Welds

  1. Brian Gilley New Member

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    Hi there,
    If this is the wrong forum, please feel free to move it or let me know.

    I recently purchased a new 2018 Jeep Wrangler JL Rubicon just 1 1/2 weeks ago with less than 1k miles and didn't really get a chance to get up under it until a couple of days later. When I did I was shocked at some of the welds and it seems like a wide-spread problem with the new 2018 Wranglers. There are a lot of owners who have noticed this same weld issue but I wanted to get some expert opinion on the level of porosity, slag, and other issues. Most all of the frame welds are misaligned or have excessive weaving, incomplete, have poor stop/starts, and the most serious issue I could spot was the deep cluster porosity.

    These pics added below are of the front and rear track bar brackets. One owner has had his front track bar shear off at highway speeds. Thankfully, no one was hurt. I think it would be very useful to get some expert opinions on these welds and I feel this is definitely the place to do it.

    What do you guys think of these welds? And can someone please explain the color of the welds (orange/rust color)? They are definitely not painted or either paint will not adhere to them. Thanks in advance!
     
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  2. MattH

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    That is shocking. Class action lawsuit anybody?
     
  3. Turbo Member

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    That is really poor considering they are probably done by robot. I can foresee a few court cases & a recall in the future, though a recall would be pointless as the proper fix is a new chassis!

    If I was you I would get the car inspected by a suitable expert asap & look for my money back. Over here I would get an MOT station to look at it, is there something similar in the USA?
     
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  4. Fazerruss

    Fazerruss Member

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    Looks like the shielding gas is running out and the chassis welded after yours on the production line will be worse :o

    Maybe that particular robot is still learning and hasn't read the tutorial.... http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/tutorial.htm I've seen worse on repaired land rover chassis :whistle:

    Seriously though that looks terrible and there could be hundreds of chassis affected.
    If you really like the car and could haggle a good percentage refund from where you bought it then it would be a quick easy repair for a professional welder if the access is good and only on that one bracket.
     
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  5. 130 Member

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    Welding would probably void the anti-corrosion warranty if there is one
     
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  6. Shox Dr

    Shox Dr Chief Engineer to Carlos Fandango

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    The curved weld above is cold
     
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  7. merryman Member

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    Probably is rust. I work on Quads, and many have no paint on the frame welds after a few months of use, as it doesn't adhere to them, or at least not as well as to the rest of the frame. Those welds are bad, something has gone wrong with the "robot" but it should have been noticed on inspection, I used to work in a bus/truck factory and the inspectors missed nothing!
     
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  8. gt6s Member

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    AHHHH My eyes !

    Laurence
     
  9. HughF

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    Is this on a 2-3yr finance deal? If so, not your problem...
     
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    Fazerruss Member

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    It is if the suspension collapses at 70mph on the motorway
     
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  11. HughF

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    That is not going to happen...
     
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  12. zzr1200

    zzr1200 Working at 650 ft on open steel work

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    No point in going to a MOT station as they won't have a qualified welder on the staff who can supply a specialist report.

    You would need a N.D.T Report, but I agree its crap welding needs grinding and reading.
     
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  14. Brian Gilley New Member

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    Wow! Thanks for much everyone for the replies. I truly appreciate it. A little more information on the Jeep and situation so far.

    I'm leasing it. I wanted a payment close to where I was at with a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, and the lease worked well. The Jeep is new... well, it had about 400 miles on it when I received it because of it being transported. I have reported it to the NHTSA, to JeepCares, to the dealership, and I have received two independent inspections from local weld shops that provided information for a document I provided to my service dept. and to a Chrysler representative who reached out to me via phone. I also compiled pictures and the independent, professional welder's document in a Dropbox file for the dealership and the Chrysler rep. I'm trying to cover all my bases.

    Apparently, this is a widely seen issue with the 2018 Wrangler JL Rubicons and JKs. Lots of porosity, slag, exposed welds, and issues that I mentioned in my original post above.

    A lot of people have commented on this issues on the JL Wrangler forums and many have added pics. Some information has surfaced that leans towards Fiat Chrysler Automotive knowing this issue existed throughout several or more months of frame production but pushed them through anyway in order to meet production numbers and that there were thousands upon thousands of Wranglers just sitting for a while, assuming they were inspecting them for weld issues.

    Here is the original thread where the track bar sheared off for one owner https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...d-i-feel-like-i’m-cursed-with-my-new-jl.6979/.

    Unfortunately, my track bar looks as shoddy as this owner's welds around that major steering component. :(

    I wanted to ask... is the orange color throughout most all welds slag that has been brought to the surface and not removed as it should be before the finishing process? Or, do you all agree it's just rust?

    Thanks again. I hope to have some resolve to this soon.
     
  15. Brian Gilley New Member

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    Unfortunately, the frame has these types of welds throughout the chassis. I have taken pictures of some of them. Since it's a lease I'm hoping this will be easier to resolve versus having financed the car. If I took the car to an independent welder to get it welded the warranty would be void because it has been modified outside of the dealership or FCA.
     
  16. MattH

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    I’ve had a read through bits of that thread and frankly I’m amazed you want your vehicle repaired at all.

    If it were me I’d be handing it back to the lease company as not fit for purpose and not safe and demanding all my money back as compensation.

    Yes there’s a few welds on your steering mount that could be redone. But how many welds throughout the chassis hidden away are in the same shape.

    I’d never trust the safety of my family to that even after any remedial action.
     
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  17. Brian Gilley New Member

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    I'm reluctantly feeling that you're correct on this one. I love the Jeep otherwise. We are a Jeep family. We've owned 10 Jeeps in the past 15 years or so. I'm going to reach out to our attorney to see if he can draft up a letter for the lease company. I just can't feel comfortable driving this car and I definitely don't want to put my family in it. We live near the mountains and the beach. Salt on this frame not washed immediately and thoroughly would be detrimental. Mountain roads... or just normal highways, would be seriously risky in this hunk of metal.
     
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  18. HughF

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    Bet you are glad you didn't buy the damn thing.... Hand it back, cancel the lease payments.
     
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    Shouldve bought a land rover :scared:
     
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  20. Kayos

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    Was going to be my reply but didn’t want the anti’s piping up
     
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