masonry nails?

  1. steveo3002 Member

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    not used these before , do you just batter them into brick /mortar with no pilot hole etc?

    whats to stop the brick crumbling away?

    need to put up some trellis to red house bricks
     
  2. TechnicAl

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    Be careful....if you hit them slightly wrong they ping off....Ive never had much luck with them so I always drill and plug.....maybe ive been doing it wrong.
     
  3. 500e

    500e Always buy fire insurance a flood is hard to start

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    Same as @TechnicAl even with cable clips Ping:doh:
     
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  4. hunter27

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    Very his and miss in a decent brick but okay in breeze block. Best to drill, plug and screw. I'd only nail them in the mortar if used externally not much chance in most bricks.
     
  5. You'll probably find that the bricks split. Hitting one askew can cause injury and eye protection is a must when using these things. Drill and plug, then you can always take down the trellis. You can't pull masonry nails out and have to grind them off. They wont bend over, they will just snap, leaving part of it protruding sharply.
     
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  6. Al Strachan

    Al Strachan Member

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    being a time served electrician, i ahve done my fair share of cable clips directly to masonry.

    Fine for concrete blocks,sandstone, cement pointing, some softer granites etc, but as stated not good on red brick or hard natural stone and the likes . regarding red brick, go for installing in the pointing only. Best technique i find is multiple short sharp hits rather than bigger swings, and they wont always be successful.

    (pretty much repeating a lot of whats been said already :) )
     
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  7. 500e

    500e Always buy fire insurance a flood is hard to start

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    When I was an apprentice the firm specialized in Church wiring All fixings had to be plugged even the old fold over cable clips Every hole drilled with a Rawlplug bumper
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  8. Nell#2

    Nell#2 Member

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    You will have a pocket of bent ones by the end of the day. Red plugs not the cheap one they are no better
     
  9. Ton-up

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    hateful things....
     
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  10. Nell#2

    Nell#2 Member

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    I've still got my grandads and a pack of the fiber inserts
     
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  11. 500e

    500e Always buy fire insurance a flood is hard to start

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    Forgot those inserts brown & hairy:clapping: with a little hole down the middle
     
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  12. Nell#2

    Nell#2 Member

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    I'm waiting for some one to tell me they are made from the most nasty mix of 60's chemicals available.
    To include asbestos, lead, mercury and Satan's underarm hair
     
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  13. mccp Member

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    And when you ran out of inserts, you just whittled a plug from an offcut of wood. Try telling that to the youngsters today.
     
  14. 500e

    500e Always buy fire insurance a flood is hard to start

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    Yes whittled in my time
    Neil #
    60s give it a rest 50s well early 60s:(
     
  15. steveo3002 Member

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    will stick with plugs then..thought maybe i was making it hard for myself

    dad used to whittle a little dowl to hammer in
     
  16. TechnicAl

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    Oh cable clips.......if youve done it wrong they cannot be moved.....if its perfect, they fall out on their own
    I wired a camera on the front of my house, dropped some whilst up the ladder......got down and picked them all up.....next day I got a puncture
     
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  17. rtbcomp

    rtbcomp Moderator Staff Member

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    Buckle Clips
     
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  18. WorkshopChris Forum Supporter

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    With the change in the new reg's the clips may well make a popular come back, over plastic clips.
     
  19. addjunkie

    addjunkie Forum Supporter

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    For bigger things, i find conctere screws uuseful
     
  20. 500e

    500e Always buy fire insurance a flood is hard to start

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    What reg is that?
    Concrete screws seem to work but just cant :dontknow: well you know
     
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