Manual ironworker or other options?

  1. OllyO Member

    Hi folks,
    I’m fed up of using grinders and want to invest in some tools to cut my stock.
    I’m limited on space and whilst I don’t MIND investing in something like an ironworker it would be well over spec for my work and would take up a lot of space for no good reason.
    Most common sizes for me go from 5x13 flat to around 5x100. Round and square up to about 12mm.
    I use occasionally larger stock but don’t mind doing that with a grinder as it is only occasional.
    I don’t want a power saw as I want it to be quick.

    Anyway, I saw these Baleigh manual ironworkers. Anyone got one?
    The claimed capacities seem crazy and I’ve read reviews that say they aren’t capable of such claims unsurprisingly. BUT perhaps if they’re being used at half their claimed capacity as it would be then they’d be up to it?

    Ive also heard mention of a manual ironworker made by Kingsland but can’t find any info on them?

    Any other thoughts on possible options.
  2. gaz1

    gaz1 Forum Supporter

    id go for a plasma cutter if you want quick

    it cuts 3mm steel fast enough in a straight line or in a circle

    id rather use a plasma on sheet material as its quicker to cut the shape out even by hand method

    ive got a cheap cut50 does what i want easy enough
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  3. OllyO Member

    Cheers gaz, yeah I don’t have a plasma cutter but have considered one a few times in the past.

    Would much rather a machine I can set up with a bench/ table. Plasma seems like it’d be a bit of a faff for my application.
  4. Hitch

    Hitch Moderator Staff Member

    Pair of bolt croppers in a vice...?
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  5. Paul.

    Paul. Moderator Staff Member

    Northampton. UK
    For cutting flats and rounds with any precision you would be better off with a bandsaw or chopsaw, ironworkers are fast to use but are a pretty crude tool and will distort the cut edges a bit as they shear making extra work for a decent fit up,
    they are useful for punching flats for gatemaking etc, but even then will turn a straight bar into a curved one. I wouldn't have another one.
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  6. 500e

    500e Always buy fire insurance a flood is hard to start

    SWest UK
    Love our Ironworker 15mm plate just punches its way through tooling is not expensive either !, angle, flat, bar, nibbles bits as well :thumbup: not a precision took I would agree
  7. Brad93

    Brad93 M J B Engineering

    I’ve got a kingsland and oeddinghaus for sale
  8. OllyO Member

    Thanks all. I’m not worried about punching plate or shearing anything particularly heavy in section. I just want an appropriately sized machine for the stock I use (if there is one out there!).
    That’s why that manual shear appeals as it appears to do everything I need but I’d rather buy a used version from a reputable brand rather than use Baleigh as I always here very mixed reviews about them.

    Deformation of stock isn’t too much of a concern for me. Having a quality compact tool that does the job and isn’t ludicrously over speced for my needs is what I’m aiming for.

    There just seems to be a big gap in the market between bench shear size tools for very small stock and sheet and big hydraulic shears/ ironworkers.
  9. 500e

    500e Always buy fire insurance a flood is hard to start

    SWest UK
    Mubea make a small machine, I think Hayco bought out Mubea (was East German) but I think tooling still available look for BF10, 21 tone (do a search)
    One went for £1K a few months ago it is basic mechanical not HYD
    The Peddinghause Brad has foe sale are quality machines don't know the tonnage of his, could be a bit big for your requirements
  10. OllyO Member

    Yeah I’ve seen one of those on eBay, looks pretty good. Plenty of capacity for me and compact enough. Certainly would be a good option.
  11. OllyO Member

    Ok I’ve look more into this and it seems there were two major manufacturers of mechanical shears/ ironworkers. Handhebelschere And peddinghaus, both German I think. They seem to have been made up until the 70/80s.
    I’ve found some nice examples on European eBay sites and am now negotiating shipping to UK.
    They all seem to be capable of max 100 x 8 flat, 60 x 60 x 6/8 angle, between 24-30mm round and square so easily heavy enough for anything I need.
    Amazing capacity for a hand operated shear!
  12. OllyO Member

    Here’s the one I’m currently looking at. What a beauty!
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  13. Munkul Member

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  14. slim_boy_fat

    slim_boy_fat Forum Supporter

    Impressive!! :thumbup: But where is all the red-hot shrapnel some Evo saws [Rage range] produce? :laughing:
  15. OllyO Member

    My mate has a Bosch one and it really doesn’t like cutting any type of flat or any small round/ square stock, say less than 1/2”.
    It loves hollow section though. Goes through it beautifully. Perfect for him cos he makes furniture.
    I do t really use any hollow sections
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  16. SwissTony Member

    UK, East Sussex
    One in the non members items for sale section.
  17. Munkul Member

    Cumbria, UK
    aye you raise a good point.... it IS red hot shrapnel!
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  18. OllyO Member

    Bought the ironworker above. It’ll be on its way from Germany next week. Will let you know how I get on. Gave £300 for it so worth a shot.

    Can anyone recommend a firm that can sharpen the blades?
  19. OllyO Member

    Thought I’d post an update on this thread.
    The shear arrived from Germany within 4 days. It’s an absolute beast. £300 plus £150 shipping and thing thing can seriously comp metal.
    I knew I’d have the blades ground or even replaced but even so it’s been cutting 100mm x 5mm flat this morning.
    I’m using a firm called Kennedy Grinding to look at the blades. They have a branch locally and will be picking them up tomorrow. £20 a pair for grinding so it’s all looking good.

    Can’t beleive I’ve been using a grinder to cut metal all these years. No noise, no mess and not having to wear a mask all day. What a difference!
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  20. Munkul Member

    Cumbria, UK
    That's a weapon!

    We use Kennedy Grinding for our sheet film production guillotine blades, they are very well priced and do their best to please.