Gasless mig

  1. GrahamHggins

    GrahamHggins Member

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    Hi im in the market for a new welder. My R-Tech 180 was stolen, so prob going for something a step down from this, but the gas would be a problem for me at the moment without a car so thought maybe gasses would do in the meantime,

    Im welding 3mm plate mostly,some solid bar and anodes to my boat, 7mm steel.

    was thinking of this one..
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0798NP56W/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=A16C206BPYRT6M&psc=1

    or would a stick welder bee better?

    thanks
    Graham
     
  2. Hood

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    Personally I would be using a stick welder for the things you are describing.
     
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  3. GrahamHggins

    GrahamHggins Member

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    cheers hood, why do you say that?
     
  4. Hood

    Hood Forum Supporter

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    Because stick is a good process for outside work, it is suitable for 3mm upwards, it can tolerate steel that is not meticulously clean, the welders are cheap, the consumables cheap and especially with regards a modern inverter style welder they are light and very easy to transport and don't require anything other than a power supply.
     
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  5. ihavenoidea

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    I would also go for stick welding.

    There light and handy (no Problem bring them on bike), cheap and windproof
     
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  6. slimjim Member

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    I guess because it’s fairly hefty stuff to weld, and all you need is a pack of rods and a welder, and you’re off, no need for flux cored wire, or gas.
     
  7. GrahamHggins

    GrahamHggins Member

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    Do you reckon there is much difference in the quality of the weld?
     
  8. Hood

    Hood Forum Supporter

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    A skilled stick welder will make a much better weld than a skilled gasless mig welder :)
     
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  9. GrahamHggins

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    what abbot getting into awkward areas, would the mig not be more point and shoot?
     
  10. Hood

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    Nah, a stick will get into place a Mig never will. You can bend a stick, curve it one way, curve it another etc etc.
     
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  11. Hood

    Hood Forum Supporter

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    Example, try getting a mig in to weld on the top of this bit.

    ScreenHunter_2748 Jun. 16 16.21.jpg

    With a stick you just put a nice curve on it and as it is consumed you just roll your hand round to keep it at the right angle.

    ScreenHunter_2749 Jun. 16 16.22.jpg
     
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  12. GrahamHggins

    GrahamHggins Member

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    Bought the gassless, sorry Hood!

    But its a 3 in 1, so may be able to try stick out soon.
    The welds do come out a bit tougher, and to get a good weld the metal needs to bee very clean.
    still playing with techniques a bit but its similar.
     
  13. Hood

    Hood Forum Supporter

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    Looking forward to seeing your progress :)
     
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  14. Memmeddu

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    If can make you feel better ...
    I love stick welding , I use practically 7018 only ,as you said you can weld everywhere ,any material unless alluminum because I read that is fairly complex doing that with a stick welder but it's possible
    You can stick weld also under the water
    Noting better
    Anyway I will buy a mig welder in the future to weld sheet metal under 2,5 3 millimetres thick because whit a stick welder isn't easy but not impossible because I did but took me long time
     
  15. Hood

    Hood Forum Supporter

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    Stick is indeed very adaptable and yes you can weld Alu with it. The result is not great but it is sufficient for a temporary repair, you have to go like the clappers though :D

    I used to do repairs on the lifeboats stainless exhaust system which was made up of approx 1.5mm wall thickness stainless tube, I never had a tig at the time so it was done with 1.6mm 316 electrodes, it was surprisingly easy, the hardest part was stopping the electrode from wiggling around :D
     
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  16. Memmeddu

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    Yep I did repair a tea boiler that was 1mm using 2,5mm E316L rod , little tack stop, little tack stop but I passed other part not the easiest thing but I use it to feed water to my bonsai (Edgar :D)
     
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