Choosing the right Mig help.Input.

  1. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    Hi Everyone.
    I will be setting up a a workshop from home by the end of this yr.

    I will be looking to mig weld box sectional mild steel
    Between 3mm 4mm & 5mm wall thickness.
    And flat sheet mild steel between 3mm & 5mm thickness.

    So I’m presently looking into the following single phase Mig’s:

    PORTAMIG 216s
    PORTAMIG 236s
    SWP 220
    And an OXFORD. (not sure on a model)

    I’m looking for something that will be used daily and robust. for a few hrs on a day to day basis.

    but im not sure if I will need to run it off a cooker socket ( 30 amps ). If I’m welding 3mm to 5mm wall thickness.
    will I need a blue plug for this machine to run, anything over 200 amps
    And have another power box set up in the workshop.

    advice would be greatly appreciated.
    Just need the right advice and set-up for the type of mig welding I’m looking at.
     
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  2. Nick DV

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    Anything up to 150 amp will be fine on a normal socket, and you could run these off the same but NOT at full power. It would be far better to get a dedicated 16amp socket installed for the welder and then you'll be fine.
     
  3. hotponyshoes Member

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    If you have to get one put in then I would fit a 32a socket as it wont cost much more and will future proof you a bit.
    If you download the instruction manuals for the welders you are looking at they will have a fuse rating or something in the specs section.

    Most will run from a 16a socket but some need more. A 180a ewm mig can be set to work from a 16a or a 20a supply but you dont get full power on the 16a setting so you would need a 32a socket for that.
     
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  4. Munkul Member

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    Best bet would be to put a 16a blue plug on the welder, and get a small flying lead adapter from 16a socket to 13a fused plug. Then get a 16a (or ideally 32a) circuit put in your workshop.

    Most machines up to 220amp will run at full rating on a 16amp slow blow circuit (read: D16 breaker) though. if you're only ever welding up to 5mm then use 0.8mm wire and you'll probably get away with a 13amp fused plug forever.

    If it was my money, I'd probably look at an Oxford, or a Parweld/Stealth inverter :)
     
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  5. TomCGB Member

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    If space, weight and power consumption arent an issue, both the portamigs or the Oxford are quite nice machines. I have had an Oxford 180 migmaker for around 5 years now and have been very happy with it. My only regret was not getting a larger machine, but I just didn't have the budget back then. I have run it off a 16a supply for the last couple of years, but before that I had a flying lead adaptor as Munkul has described. I can't say I've really noticed any difference in output between the two amperage supplies running 0.8mm wire. The Oxford has always been buttery smooth and never cut out due to duty cycle even on fairly long runs.

    I am expecting my new larger machine within the next week and once thats up and running I will probably be looking to get rid of the Oxford. It is on the verge of what you want to do grunt wise, but if it is of interest, keep an eye on the for sale section over the coming month or so.
     
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  6. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    Hi Nick.
    Cheer’s for the input
    And good to know.
    My only query would be say with a 150.
    I wouldn’t want it to struggle with 5mm
    Hi Nick.
    I will take that into consideration.
    as long as a 150amp wouldn’t be struggling to weld upto 5mm box sectional.
    better for All round as it would certainly lower costs on a more expensive machine if not necessary.
    Thanks for the input.
     
  7. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    Thank You.
    You see I haven’t a clue weather or not I would need more than a 32a socket. I’m looking to weld box sectional mild steel 3mm to 5mm.
    Looking for a smooth consistent power run,
    That’s not going to trip for a few hrs daily. maybe 2-3hrs early morning
    And again, 2-3hrs in the late evening.
     
  8. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    I will certainly do some research giving the advice. Thanks for input.
     
  9. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    Hi There.
    I’ve heard some good things actually, about the Oxford.
    And glad to hear Yours has served well.
    May I ask
    What machine have you ordered. thank You for advice and input.
     
  10. MaartenNL

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    hi, not sure if it'll fit your bill but i recently bought a Gys

    https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum...-i-have-one-questions-feel-free-to-ask.98061/

    It was dirt cheap (around 370, i got lucky), and with 160A maybe a little underpowered (i will weld max 4) but maybe you overlooked the GYS brand.

    They offer The SmartMIG and EasyMIg range, mostly for DIY and light professional as far as i can gather from my searches done here and a very nice pfofesional range (mostly the grey machines, but also some yellow ones.) Check out the Pearl, i am not sure on UK-prcing but it might be affordable for you.

    i also considered this one
    https://www.weldingsuppliesdirect.c...iweld-160m-multi-process-mig-welder-230v.html
     
  11. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    Hi Maarten.
    Thank You for your input.
    It’s appreciated.
    I will go over the link’s you provided, and have a good look. Thanks again.
     
  12. MaartenNL

    MaartenNL Member

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    just make sure you don't look at 50 pound if you are 100% jou will use it daily, buy the best kit you can.

    i went for a decent MIG for normal money but i really wanted a Lincoln Speedtec200 which costs about 5 GYSses ;-) but i wont use it as much as you will so i didn't buy it.

    last but not least: do not underestimate the costs for gas, pliers, tips, wire, antispat, gloves, helmet, magnets, a gaspressure-reducerthingy-indicator.
     
  13. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    I have been browsing all morning actually on masks, tool’s etc.
    And it’s certainly not cheap.
    Your right,
    It’s not just the mig.
    All other necessities certainly add up big time.
    As long as the Mig I’m seeking can manage upto 5mm, not to say all the time. Mostly be using 3mm
    But just handy to know I am able to go upto 5mm as & when needed.
    Few hrs daily use.
    And I’m good.
    But has to be robust enough to deal with what I’m looking for with regards to the jobs required from it.

    Unfortunately, I can’t get on with standard weld masks.
    I have to use an airflow.
    Which no doubt bumps pricing up.
    but I need to start with the right tools for the job without running before I’m walking. nothing more nothing less.
    to start with anyway.
     
  14. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    Hi All.
    A quick update. having been on the phone to a chap called Steve
    Who was extreamly helpful.
    I will be going for a Porta-Mig 335amp @ 230v
    I’ll need a 32amp supply.
    And source a gas/argon suppler, Blc I guess.
    So having plenty of time now to sort out an out building by the end of the yr.
    I’m looking at a wooden workshop to be built, around the 30x12ft Mark.
    Which also gives plenty of time to source other necessities.
    Nothing like planning ahead.
     
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  15. Nick DV

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    Porta-Mig 335 eh :o Certainly going for it then ;)
     
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  16. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    How you doing Nick. I know.!
    Haha.
    Somehow all through My life. I just can’t quite seem to find that middle ground when it comes to doing something.
    I’m trying. Lord knows I’m trying. Lol.

    thing is Nick. I’m looking to fabricate My own machines for a home gym.
    with a view to over the next few yr’s

    (get more experience and a qualification or 2 behind Me.)

    to actually start fabricating custom built stuff.
    I’m quite lucky really
    As I already have contacts throughout the uk.
    it’s always been a huge passion.
    that and to doing a kit-car.

    After doing a bit of research
    I found that I need something that will allow Me to use upto 5mm without a struggle,
    And not going to trip regularly while on the job.

    Plus. Hopefully I won’t out grow it to soon
    Or need it replacing having to find out a few months down the line I need something a bit more robust.
    May I ask.
    How long have you had the kit-car for.
    Was it your first build.
     
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  17. Nick DV

    Nick DV Member

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    Sounds like you've got your future well planned out :thumbup:
    I've had the Dax around 18 years and it's the only kit car I've built. It's not road legal and built for track use only ;)
     
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  18. Learning the Trade

    Learning the Trade New Member

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    Wow. It looks brand new.!!!
    Kit cars & welding are My passion.
    You’ve done an amazing job you really have.!
    I can talk kit’s morning noon & night. bit like that passanger talking none stop on “Aeroplane” the movie. Haha.
     
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  19. Pigeon_Droppings2 Member

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    If you're setting up a new workshop then adding a few 16A sockets is top of the list...compressor/plasma cutter etc?

    I always seem to recommend Kemppi whenever anyone asks...yes they are expensive but they are excellent...haven't found anything that my MinArc 200A can't weld and it really welds very nice on the thick stuff.

    Kemppi has the auto setup feature which makes welding different materials really very simple.
     
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  20. Nick DV

    Nick DV Member

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    No, certainly not brand new, it's a little jaded now :vsad: but still pretty good. I was going to build it for road use and track use, but during the build I decided it would be a dedicated track car, and TBH, I never though it would be much fun on the road - especially with a bike engine and no creature comforts :dontknow:
    I'm just as bad when it comes to talking anything track oriented :whistle:
     
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