When I initially joined it was to learn due to the absolute mess some one who was a lifetime "welder" had made on a lorry chassis I owned , so bad that although it passed plating test I sold it , total pidgeon poop.
let me know how you get on with them please , last type I used , red/black elasticated were very comfortable , easy to grip the smallest pieces but let any oil etc straight through ! so great forsay gardening but useless for spannering.
local pub used to have one of those giant whisky bottles on the bar, filled with change and a few notes , it was nearly full , it was nicked , the remains of the smashed bottle was found in the ladies(?) loo. nothing changes I am afraid , said it many times on here before, bring back the stocks...