Depends which country!So how many people do you think would get killed if the HD were built today ?
The Yanks never seem to learn.
Florida footbridge collapse - very nasty!
Depends which country!So how many people do you think would get killed if the HD were built today ?
I know they are much worse than here - especially Italy - but it just seems much more laid back - no big brother watching you! Sometimes the Nanny State goes too far in trying to keep us all safe.
Fair enough - I don't work in industry. I am just speaking from what I see in daily life. Like not being allowed to open hotel windows. Or being hidden behind glass on tall buildings. You can take lovely photos from the top of the Eiffel tower as you can poke your lens out through the gap - they would never allow that here.
I am sure it isn't the health and safety rules themselves at fault but their over zealous implementation.
I did a "competency" course a few years back, it covered bench, and 41/2 and 9 inch grinders, looked at wheel speeds, checking the date, right wheel for the right job, use of PPE and having guards in place. I had already dressed he wheels the night before, none of the other people being trained knew what the tool was for ! The biggest issue we had with a bench grinder was anyone would walk in the workshop and use it to "grind" stuff, aluminium of tools, brush handles to fit and sharpening shovels. Easiest means of control, take it off site !
I thought I would cover myself and reported it to our Group HS team inline with policy.
This for me is the worse part and why We are having to jump through hoops. Surely if he needed first aid treatment then it should have been followed up by H&S as part of the system? Everyone these days is **** scared of their job being on the line and it’s just an ever decreasing circle.
My point is did that £30k accident investigation improve safety. No not one bit. It did however keep the wheels greased and kept people in work and the fitters kept hold of the chuck keys as always. I told the H&S guy I’d never report an accident again as we kept hearing how much it cost for what was essentially a minor accident.
The resultant investigation when right to the top of the tree in Chicago and according to the H&S manager cost the company £30k to investigate my slip. My accident report never included the truth as I knew I was doing something I shouldn’t have so I fabricated the story to something much more in keeping with a slip accident whilst changing a drill bit..
Here it is as I see it. Whilst I am not at Parm's standards or experience. I do hold the long service T shirt as a safety rep and a few bits of appropriate paper.Hi - do you need an abrasive wheel certificate to use an angle grinder in the workplace? I have never considered it (maybe wrongly) but we had an incident were an apprentice just nicked the skin on his thumb with a grinder. 1st aider gave it a wash, dry and then applied a plaster.
I thought I would cover myself and reported it to our Group HS team inline with policy.
This has now opened a whole can of worms up which is disappointing as when I asked the HS team what was the requirements for the tools and work the apprentice was going to do, I received no reply.
What is everyone's thoughts?
Here it is as I see it. Whilst I am not at Parm's standards or experience. I do hold the long service T shirt as a safety rep and a few bits of appropriate paper.
No one should use a piece of equipment with out training and the training must be suitable and sufficient and recorded.
You as a company should check the trainer is experienced and suitable to teach said subject its mad but many aren't.
You did right to report it as it makes people think twice.
Just because you have a department doing safety stuff doesn't mean they are any good or even doing what's required of the company, the company should review the HSE department and make sure they are doing whats legally required and also keeping others on track and raising awareness. As soon as you raise an issue they should replay to start a paper trail as at some stage in the future if a claim is submitted and they ignored an email it could be an own goal.
We can bury you in laws etc but at some stage we have to educate peoples behaviours.
None of UK safety is difficult, it will ulitimatly protect the company from Prosecution and lost time accidents etc not just the workers, but as you say some are making it over complex and expensive.Having the correct paperwork and trail and being within compliance does not inherently make someone safe, It means they can pass the test.
I agree but if they can't do t properly they shouldn't be selected for the job in the first place, its no use training some one who is never going to follow the rules etc
Iv seen as many operators of 40 years who work safely with no certs as those with strings of certs who shouldn't even be allowed a shovel.
They should be managed
For example virtually every road user has been trained tested and should understand the consequences of not obeying the laws, Yet how many minutes do you have to be driving to see a safety critical law like speeding per example being broken?......
As I said iv no problem with safety, but when it becomes a billion £ industry which in reality has now become so vast so complex and so expensive that companys simply pack up or relocate at the determent to everyone, then the time comes to question just who's working for who.
I have to ask - what did you expect if you didn't tell them why it happened - not having a chuck key and you weren't up to stopping the job until you had the correct tools?
As I said iv no problem with safety, but when it becomes a billion £ industry which in reality has now become so vast so complex and so expensive that companys simply pack up or relocate at the determent to everyone, then the time comes to question just who's working for who.
None of UK safety is difficult, it will ulitimatly protect the company from Prosecution and lost time accidents etc not just the workers, but as you say some are making it over complex and expensive.
People need to stop confusing HSE with H&S.