The best graduates are those that have done a practical apprenticeship and moved up
Disagree, but as I said YMMV.
The best graduates are those that have done a practical apprenticeship and moved up
I’m unsure what YMMV stands for.Disagree, but as I said YMMV.
That they might be, but they’re more valid coming from people with actual experience in the industryYour mileage may vary.
A polite way of saying opinions are like **** holes.
Everybody has one.
I had to Google it.
Quite rightly so. Or the ones that are incapable of getting their hands dirtyExcept it's not an opinion.
I'd never trust an engineer who was scared to get his hands dirty.
Like I say, im experiencing that one first hand. Some very academically clever people, but I wouldn’t let them anywhere near a project, they just do not have even a basic idea of how theory becomes practiceCross post.
I don't dispute it Dan.
Can't learn everything from a book
I’m unsure what YMMV stands for.
You clearly have never spent any time in an engineering environment, I’ll take a time served engineer over a graduate with a uni degree and a Mickey Mouse intensive practical course any day of the week.
Except it's not an opinion.
I'd never trust an engineer who was scared to get his hands dirty.
Cross post.
I don't dispute it Dan.
Can't learn everything from a book
Don't get me wrong. You can learn a lot from books or videos but much like a map until you've walked or driven the route you don't know the landmarks only the direction.
Being currently on a “respected” degree programme I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that they do not teach anywhere near enough to be able to do the job properly. Yes , you might know all kinds of fancy math to work things out. You might be able to use an FEA programme to show its structurally sound, but 90% of them come to you for help on a project and can’t fathom why you can’t weld aluminium to steel to make the part they’ve spent hours drawing and calculating, and that’s where the difference comes in.YMMV = your mileage may vary; essentially your experience may be different to mine.
I'm not an engineer. I have broad experience in education however. My point is that a lot of the attitudes against degree programs seem to stem from bias rather than fair assessment. Anyone having undertaken and secured a 1st or high 2-1 in a respected degree program would not need, and probably wouldn't take any "Mickey Mouse... course", those that do are probably not undertaking the same job as those who have spent "more time on the tools".
I respect your experience is different to mine; I just share a different view.
I would think it depends on what the degree is in.I have both and have heard these arguments for years. If anyone thinks they are better or knows more than the other are kidding themselves. A trade is hands on with narrow range and a degree is technical and broad based. A trade certainly helped me understand and apply a practical approach to uni and a degree helps you think and apply a more technical approach. A mechanical engineering degree was considerably more difficult than a fitting and turning apprenticeship and I wouldn't knock someone with either or think I am better. Not one stupid person passed my degree when I went through and with something like a 75% drop out rate it certainly wasn't easy.
Also known as dunning kruger effect
Over the last few months I’ve been working on a case centred around competency. An “expert”was selling consultancy services to engineering firms. I investigated and found that the expert wasn’t an “expert”. Tommorow he’s in court