Seadog
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This is worrying
"If a driver uses the hard shoulder on a managed motorway when it isn’t open, or drives in a lane with a red ‘X’ above it, the cameras will automatically trigger a penalty, which includes a £100 fine and three points on your driving licence."
If the signs never cried wolf then fair enough. I have seen lanes closed off for no reason at all. A few times I have phoned the control centre on the m4 asking for the reason - and as if by magic they suddenly get turned off!
"If a driver uses the hard shoulder on a managed motorway when it isn’t open, or drives in a lane with a red ‘X’ above it, the cameras will automatically trigger a penalty, which includes a £100 fine and three points on your driving licence."
If the signs never cried wolf then fair enough. I have seen lanes closed off for no reason at all. A few times I have phoned the control centre on the m4 asking for the reason - and as if by magic they suddenly get turned off!
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Love the one about motorways.
Where we live we have the 50 miles of A40 part single and part dual carriageway before we reach the M4. To get to anywhere we want to go to we drive along the M4 until the Brynglass Tunnels and then check with SWMBO to remind me who we are visiting.
When teaching offspring to drive they would drive the 50 miles to the roundabout which was preceded by a layby. I would take over the motorway sections then usually hand back to them on the A14 dual carriageway.
So?
I drove the safe easy motorway.
The learners drove the dangerous dual carriageway with right turns, many tractors etc WITH THE SAME SPEED LIMIT.
Youngest drove this route back in the winter of 2010 proudly displaying his L Plates to his grandparents on arrival in Northamptonshire.
Brother in Law with his much vaunted 4x4 phoned to tell the grandparents they couldn't make the 50 miles from their home 'due to the extreme weather'. Youngest was driving my aging front wheel drive Rover 800.
A few years ago as the boys and I sat having a pint their conversation turned to learning to drive. All three shared two abiding memories.
One was driving the A40 dual carriageway whilst being encouraged to 'make progress boy'.
The other was the drive-line shunt characteristic of Rover 820's. Apparently I would sit with my arms folded and emit an occasional 'huff huff' noise as the shunt caused my arms to press my chest. They all had interpreted this as a deliberate expression of disapproval!
The lack of instruction or comment for 10 minutes in the new test would amuse them as well. Apparently I also inadvertently unnerved them by starting the lesson with 'take me to somewhere...' and often not commenting for minutes on end.
Two of them sat their UK driving tests in non dual controlled Rover 800's to the amusement of one older examiner and the consternation of a younger one.
So overall I think the driving test changes are in the right direction - but are still missing skin pan work.
Where we live we have the 50 miles of A40 part single and part dual carriageway before we reach the M4. To get to anywhere we want to go to we drive along the M4 until the Brynglass Tunnels and then check with SWMBO to remind me who we are visiting.
When teaching offspring to drive they would drive the 50 miles to the roundabout which was preceded by a layby. I would take over the motorway sections then usually hand back to them on the A14 dual carriageway.
So?
I drove the safe easy motorway.
The learners drove the dangerous dual carriageway with right turns, many tractors etc WITH THE SAME SPEED LIMIT.
Youngest drove this route back in the winter of 2010 proudly displaying his L Plates to his grandparents on arrival in Northamptonshire.
Brother in Law with his much vaunted 4x4 phoned to tell the grandparents they couldn't make the 50 miles from their home 'due to the extreme weather'. Youngest was driving my aging front wheel drive Rover 800.
A few years ago as the boys and I sat having a pint their conversation turned to learning to drive. All three shared two abiding memories.
One was driving the A40 dual carriageway whilst being encouraged to 'make progress boy'.
The other was the drive-line shunt characteristic of Rover 820's. Apparently I would sit with my arms folded and emit an occasional 'huff huff' noise as the shunt caused my arms to press my chest. They all had interpreted this as a deliberate expression of disapproval!
The lack of instruction or comment for 10 minutes in the new test would amuse them as well. Apparently I also inadvertently unnerved them by starting the lesson with 'take me to somewhere...' and often not commenting for minutes on end.
Two of them sat their UK driving tests in non dual controlled Rover 800's to the amusement of one older examiner and the consternation of a younger one.
So overall I think the driving test changes are in the right direction - but are still missing skin pan work.
Olderisbetter
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Its a great way to make money, 
WorkshopChris
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We see it all the time around hear, in high wind when they are trying to keep the dartford bridge open they often close every other lane as lorries struggle to hold lane position but people still use them ignoring the red x.
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be careful of the mobile phone one
theres a reference that if you use your mobile phone at a layby parked up with engine on you could end up with a fine for doing actually whats right by your standared
this i another statement of safe reference
personally if your in a layby or pulled up with engine on your safe to do so but it apears its going too pc about it
If you are parked up, safely, and your engine is off, you are free to use your mobile while sat in the driver’s seat.
theres a reference that if you use your mobile phone at a layby parked up with engine on you could end up with a fine for doing actually whats right by your standared
this i another statement of safe reference
personally if your in a layby or pulled up with engine on your safe to do so but it apears its going too pc about it
If you are parked up, safely, and your engine is off, you are free to use your mobile while sat in the driver’s seat.
I think Brynglass Funnels would be a better description, every time I've had a late job in Cardiff recently they've been closed and they set the speed to 30 about 3 miles before. Went through this afternoon, variable speed at 50 all the way and the road wasn't busy
A lot of people just don't keep up with changes once they have got there licence that's it they think nothing else about it I fitted in to that group but over the last 5 years I have taken 2 lots of hazard perception and theory on current classes of vehicle I did my lgv to gain my provisional licence but shelved things due to a change in circumstances then two years ago I took my full A class bike test and past on the first attempt the only instructions you get on that are of the route and you just have to ride to the best of your ability and proceed at a reasonable rate
The child seat laws are interesting, previously there were laws but they went of the window in an out of line situation IE grandparent had to collect a child but didn't have a car seat. I wonder if that still applies. I saw one study where they chatted with parents putting kids in cars and something like 40% didn't have them fitted correctly.
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wot are they going to do if u have an electric car in a layby on phone
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Drove a honda hybrid today engine switches off when stopped.wot are they going to do if u have an electric car in a layby on phone
Shox Dr
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What if it’s electric
MattF
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I've been switching the engine off for the last few years before touching the phone. The law on that front has always been a bit grey, so engine off, (and keys out of ignition if one wants to be absolutely certain), is the safest approach.
Btw, where's the mention of mobile phones on that page?
Think that's called a piggy bank.
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I believe they class that more as you have the capability to drive the car whilst under the influence, if you have the keys. Given the possible circumstances, you can see why they push that definition to its limit, (no pun intended).
brightspark
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sat in the drivers seat p...ed with keys in pocket bad news . fling them in the hedge back and hope they don't notice and u wont get nicked
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Yeah that's one that always gets the arguments going, according to the police if you are in the car with the keys you can be judged as in control of the vehicle, even if asleep on the back seat.
Walking with the keys is judged as you are not in control of the vehicle because you are separated from it.
Google 'motorhomes and drinking', it's interesting because it suggest a person in a motorhome can get away with what a person in a car can not.
